Dave Smith's forgotten synth - the yamaha sy22

Discussions about anything analog, digital, MIDI, synth technology, techniques, theories and more.

Dave Smith's forgotten synth - the yamaha sy22

Postby tom Cadillac » Fri Jun 08, 2007 10:05 am

I just bought one of these on impulse, coz it was so cheap and found out it was designed by Dave Smith! (Correct me if I'm wrong). I think the whole vector thing is really neglected and really cool - realtime morphing from one oscillator to another. And i don't care about the low quality sound - grainy low-fi heaven is what I think.

Anyway - do these synths deserve their low reputation? Or are they the forgotten work of a synth genius?
"On the following day , the sorcery undespairingly continued: I changed my series, chose other sequences, cut other lengths, spliced different progressions, and hoped afresh for a miracle in sound." (Stockhausen)
User avatar
tom Cadillac
Active Member
Active Member
 
Posts: 352
Joined: Sat Dec 09, 2006 4:49 am
Location: Auckland NZ
Gear: FS1R, EPS, JP8000, Kaos pad, Ineko, SP606, Mopho, MP7 and so on....
Band: Bipolarbass

Advertisement:

Postby Altitude » Fri Jun 08, 2007 11:51 am

It was a rushed product by DSD (Dave Smith designs) which was formed by Yamaha after they bought up SCI and is a crude precursor to the wavestation. After this synth was designed and before it was released, Korg came in and stole Dave and crew away so it was really the only production synth that he worked on for Yamaha in the very short time he was there. The lack of basic synth features (like a filter) made this synth pretty limited
User avatar
Altitude
Expert Member
Expert Member
 
Posts: 1220
Joined: Sun Sep 24, 2006 7:25 pm
Location: Michigan

Postby minime123 » Fri Jun 08, 2007 12:11 pm

i consider this quite an underrated/undervalued synth.
sure, it could be better, but for the prices they were going for last i checked, its worth picking this or a tg33 up.
id use my tg33 if i wasnt so busy pimping vintage synths. :)
mini
VINTAGE SYNTH DEALER
- Buy / Sell / Trade
- We Buy Broken Gear & Parts Too...
- Huge Selection, Dependable Service
- http://www.123synthland.com (redirects)
User avatar
minime123
Senior Member
Senior Member
 
Posts: 938
Joined: Wed Jul 20, 2005 1:44 pm
Location: USA

Postby Taxidermy » Fri Jun 08, 2007 12:56 pm

Great keyboard. Quite like it. One of the few things I regret selling.
User avatar
Taxidermy
Junior Member
Junior Member
 
Posts: 118
Joined: Wed Nov 15, 2006 1:18 pm
Location: Vancouver BC
Gear: Little Fatty
Mopho
TX81z
Ion
Casio Rapman

Postby Sir Ruff » Fri Jun 08, 2007 2:18 pm

I picked up tallowwaters' sy-35 a while back.. it's definitely got an interesting sound-I'm actually not a big fan of the whole joystick thing-maybe it's just cos I haven't mixed and matched the right samples/FM.. the volume jumps and waves themselves are so disparate i find it hard to make a smooth change (prolly just me!)... and while more features is usually a good thing, I think by adding an individual envelope for each osc, they inadvertantly make basic volume editing too complicated (surely that's what the vectors are for!)
I actually find using the vector just on the detune instead gives real interesting subtlely modulated pad sounds... and the samples have got that great early 90s gritty, breathy sound which I really like... oh yeah, and the s/h lfo is a neat way to "bit-reduce" those samples... get some real dirty but still usable sounds that way...
Do you even post on vse bro?
User avatar
Sir Ruff
Synth Explorer
Synth Explorer
 
Posts: 3353
Joined: Tue May 09, 2006 11:55 pm
Location: Synthinnati
Gear: Two persimmon modulators and a frequency adjudicator.
Band: Ruff in the jungle

Postby nuketifromorbit » Fri Jun 08, 2007 3:58 pm

Sir Ruff wrote:I picked up tallowwaters' sy-35 a while back.. it's definitely got an interesting sound-I'm actually not a big fan of the whole joystick thing-maybe it's just cos I haven't mixed and matched the right samples/FM.. the volume jumps and waves themselves are so disparate i find it hard to make a smooth change (prolly just me!)... and while more features is usually a good thing, I think by adding an individual envelope for each osc, they inadvertantly make basic volume editing too complicated (surely that's what the vectors are for!)
I actually find using the vector just on the detune instead gives real interesting subtlely modulated pad sounds... and the samples have got that great early 90s gritty, breathy sound which I really like... oh yeah, and the s/h lfo is a neat way to "bit-reduce" those samples... get some real dirty but still usable sounds that way...


Ha, so thats what tallows did with my sy35. Honestly I like the tg33 I picked up quite a bit better than they sy35. Theres certain waves that went missing on the sy35, specifically a really great one which I swear I've heard used on skinny puppy's last rights.
Last edited by nuketifromorbit on Fri Jun 08, 2007 5:40 pm, edited 1 time in total.
We'll always be remembered, we'll always be dismembered.
User avatar
nuketifromorbit
Expert Member
Expert Member
 
Posts: 1124
Joined: Mon Mar 20, 2006 4:07 am

Postby hinotori » Fri Jun 08, 2007 4:11 pm

i can support the support for the tg 33 . its an interesting box to play with .
User avatar
hinotori
Junior Member
Junior Member
 
Posts: 195
Joined: Fri Nov 18, 2005 2:07 am
Location: UK
Gear: /A1200/CVI/SIXTRAK/
SYSTEM100&100M/CS30/SK1/NORDG2/

Postby micahjonhughes » Fri Jun 08, 2007 4:50 pm

I've owned tg-33s. I must have liked the first to buy it again many years later. I think vector synthesis is great and the Tg-33 has it at a low price. My only complaint and the reason I don't own one today is that in trying to pack too many options in (samples, a drum set, effects...) Yamaha missed out on making it do any one thing great. I would really love to have the ability to mix four FM sounds together with a little more control in editing those sounds. I could do without the drums and certainly the effects. But it is what it is and it's not bad.
User avatar
micahjonhughes
Active Member
Active Member
 
Posts: 631
Joined: Fri Mar 09, 2007 4:27 pm
Location: Chicago

Postby hageir » Fri Jun 08, 2007 6:22 pm

minime123 wrote:i consider this quite an underrated/undervalued synth.
sure, it could be better, but for the prices they were going for last i checked, its worth picking this or a tg33 up.
id use my tg33 if i wasnt so busy pimping vintage synths. :)
mini


don't make me use my pimp hand!
Image
Image

yeah I like the vector; sy & tg series from yamaha, I'm gonna pick up a tg55, locally tomorrow..
Image
User avatar
hageir
Expert Member
Expert Member
 
Posts: 1267
Joined: Sun Jan 01, 2006 11:57 pm
Location: Reykjavík, Iceland
Gear: http://www.geirhelgi.com/
https://soundcloud.com/geir-helgi
Band: Geir Helgi

Postby Thefumigator » Fri Jun 08, 2007 7:39 pm

Does anyone have a demo mp3 or a tune made with one of those vector synths?
Also, which is or has been the ultimate vector synth? (just to have as reference)
Image
watch my first youtube video :D http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tp5Ct-BUrIM
-We're gonna die, you know.
-Maybe. But if we die, we're gonna die walking.
User avatar
Thefumigator
Active Member
Active Member
 
Posts: 322
Joined: Sat Feb 25, 2006 12:37 am
Location: Montevideo, Uruguay
Real name: Amalfi
Band: thefumigator

Postby meatballfulton » Fri Jun 08, 2007 9:13 pm

Thefumigator wrote:which is or has been the ultimate vector synth?


Korg Wavestation
I listened to Hatfield and the North at Rainbow. They were very wonderful and they made my heart a prisoner.
User avatar
meatballfulton
Moderator
Moderator
 
Posts: 3629
Joined: Wed Apr 13, 2005 9:29 pm
Gear: Motif XF6, Evolver, Live 9

Postby Sir Ruff » Fri Jun 08, 2007 9:15 pm

Thefumigator wrote:Does anyone have a demo mp3 or a tune made with one of those vector synths?
Also, which is or has been the ultimate vector synth? (just to have as reference)


Look no further than Sealed's great website....

and just from general reading, I think it's probably safe to say the SCI Prophet VS is the mother of all vector synths...
Do you even post on vse bro?
User avatar
Sir Ruff
Synth Explorer
Synth Explorer
 
Posts: 3353
Joined: Tue May 09, 2006 11:55 pm
Location: Synthinnati
Gear: Two persimmon modulators and a frequency adjudicator.
Band: Ruff in the jungle

Postby Alex E » Sat Jun 09, 2007 2:16 am

I'm saving up for a Yamaha SY22. I am in touch with somebody who is ready to sell theirs, and when I finish saving up I will buy it from them. Since the TG33 is just as cheap I am going to add even more power and get that too, someday. Wonderful, dirt-cheap synths. It's just amazing how low they go for nowadays.
soundcloud.com/vectron

User avatar
Alex E
Synth Explorer
Synth Explorer
 
Posts: 2227
Joined: Sat Dec 02, 2006 12:07 am
Location: Anaheim, CA
Gear: Alpha Juno 2, Live 8, iMac MC309XX/A

Re: Dave Smith's forgotten synth - the yamaha sy22

Postby crystalmsc » Sat Jun 09, 2007 9:38 am

tom Cadillac wrote:are they the forgotten work of a synth genius?


yes, it is :wink: really love my TG33 and the lo-fi quality is really fit with what I want from this synth. with some real stereo analog filter such Dave's own Evolver..it's a complete legendary synth.
Kaossilatron - Voicillator
http://crystaline.bandcamp.com
Station: Ableton Live 9 Suite, Push, Ultranova, MS-20m
User avatar
crystalmsc
Synth Explorer
Synth Explorer
 
Posts: 2912
Joined: Thu Jul 13, 2006 7:15 am
Location: Synth Garden
Gear: uWaveXT,uQ,Pulse+;Ion;MiniBrt
Kronos,mntrb,Volcas,WD1.WDm
NordModular,L2X;Evolver;JP8080
MKS70,JD990,D50,MC909,MC80ex
Microcon2;TG77,RS7k,AN200,AN1x
Band: Crystaline

Postby minime123 » Sat Jun 09, 2007 2:06 pm

nice pimp cookie!
VINTAGE SYNTH DEALER
- Buy / Sell / Trade
- We Buy Broken Gear & Parts Too...
- Huge Selection, Dependable Service
- http://www.123synthland.com (redirects)
User avatar
minime123
Senior Member
Senior Member
 
Posts: 938
Joined: Wed Jul 20, 2005 1:44 pm
Location: USA

Next

Return to General Synthesizers

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Baidu [Spider] and 14 guests