Dave Smith's forgotten synth - the yamaha sy22

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Re: Dave Smith's forgotten synth - the yamaha sy22

Postby toad » Mon Oct 13, 2008 11:19 am

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Postby crystalmsc » Mon Oct 13, 2008 1:18 pm

with such synth, who needs an A6 :twisted:
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Re: Dave Smith's forgotten synth - the yamaha sy22

Postby Christopher Winkels » Mon Oct 13, 2008 4:12 pm

That video represents someone with roughly the same technique as me. Kudos to you, sir!
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Re: Dave Smith's forgotten synth - the yamaha sy22

Postby nathanscribe » Mon Oct 13, 2008 4:15 pm

I nearly bought an SY-22 in 1991 (or so) when they were brand new and 600 quid. I decided against it as I found my 2nd hand Juno 6 (still a workhorse) for a lot less, but I did get an SY-shaped birthday cake that year (18th - haha!). The SYs were always pretty decent, though I didn't really understand the logic of the differences between models.
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Re: Dave Smith's forgotten synth - the yamaha sy22

Postby carbon111 » Mon Oct 13, 2008 5:16 pm

The vector envelopes were actually nicer on the TG33/SY22 than on the Wavestation in that you could record a joystick "performance" live and have it duplicated on every keypress.

A very cool little synth that gets little respect these days...
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Re: Dave Smith's forgotten synth - the yamaha sy22

Postby Alex Hamilton » Mon Oct 13, 2008 9:40 pm

I meant to pick one up (well actually a TG33) a couple of years ago but in the end practically forgot about it as I had to wait a while. It's one of those ones that people don't revere as such but it's a bargain for what it goes for. I guess it's DS's forgotten synth in that when people think of him, for the most part they think of the Prophets, MIDI, Wavestation, and the Evolver line. I may get one eventually if I come across one, but I can't help thinking it may be a little redundant now (forgive me !); I'm not sure I'd use it too much, even though I'm sure it sounds great.
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Re: Dave Smith's forgotten synth - the yamaha sy22

Postby cornutt » Tue Oct 14, 2008 1:20 am

I've got a TG33. To be honest, it's been kind of ignored lately; I've been busy thrashing a V-Synth and a Morpheus and trying to repair a Fizmo... too many new arrivals at one time. The little bit that I've played with it has been fairly interesting, although the actual vector stuff that I've tried so far has come out sounding like ordinary cross-fading rather than morphing. To me, the main limitation is that the FM channels are only two-operator. The way that Yamaha implements FM, that isn't very useful. 4-op would have been a lot better.
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Re: Dave Smith's forgotten synth - the yamaha sy22

Postby ianjhicks » Fri Oct 17, 2008 12:22 am

count me as a fan, I got my sy22 for $60, it has some pretty interesting, weird sounds that definitely compliment my analog set up... I like the piano on it.. I've found that the on board effects (reverb, delay, etc) suck ass though and I usually turn them off.. Another note, I think the TG33 was used for the non-punk/new wave parts of the soundtrack for the classic "return of the living dead" sweet!
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Re: Dave Smith's forgotten synth - the yamaha sy22

Postby HideawayStudio » Sat Jan 10, 2009 8:48 pm

Ahh interesting - it was only this morning I attempted to contact the owners of this site in a plea to update the entries for the SY22 and the TG33 vector synths to cover this very subject. The SY22 and therefore the internals of the TG33 were indeed designed by Dave Smith (as was the Prophet VS and Wavestation vector synths) - albeit in a rush - and in my opinion are rather underrated/unexplored. Some of the (esp string) sounds in this now cheap box of gear are really rather nice. It might interest some to know that the TG33 was used a lot by one of the Pet Shop Boys producers of the era who never credited it since he was a tad embarrassed to be seen using something so cheap. Both SY22 and TG33 are now very cheap S/H and well worth a play - they are far more interesting than the slightly more expensive PCM based synths in the mid TG/SY series range ie. TG55 - but very different beasts to the awsome SY/TG 77 & 99 flagship synths.

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Re: Dave Smith's forgotten synth - the yamaha sy22

Postby SteelWav » Mon Jan 12, 2009 5:45 pm

I've got the TG33 too. I haven't spent enough time with it, but I have made a great pad using the vector thing where a kind of feedback thing is going out and in. Otherwise, I haven't been too impressed. The sound quality reminds me of cheap Yamahas synths. Still, who can complain at that price, and it's got quite a bit of samples in it.

edit: Forgot to add - Yay for Moby strings!
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Re: Dave Smith's forgotten synth - the yamaha sy22

Postby modulator_esp » Mon Jan 12, 2009 6:16 pm

The SY-35 was my introduction to vector synthesis and I used it to make lots of weird evolving sounds. With the 50 step vector envelopes you could even get something approximating the Wavestation's wave sequencing. I also liked using fast one-shot vectors for interesting stab/hits and slower one-shot vectors for mutating leads

I eventually upgraded to a Wavestation and then a Prophet VS and sold the SY along the way
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Postby severen » Mon Jan 12, 2009 7:15 pm

Thefumigator wrote:Does anyone have a demo mp3 or a tune made with one of those vector synths?
Also, which is or has been the ultimate vector synth? (just to have as reference)


TG-33 Demos
http://homepage.mac.com/synth_seal/html/tg33c.html
http://www.synthmania.com/tg33.htm

interesting :D
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Re: Dave Smith's forgotten synth - the yamaha sy22

Postby rockmanrock » Mon Jan 12, 2009 8:01 pm

Some more demos here:

http://71.18.227.106/tg33.shtml (Strellis.com)

And these sound really good, some extra processing going on with these I think:

http://aliens-project.de/t_200607_yamaha_tg33.html
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Re: Dave Smith's forgotten synth - the yamaha sy22

Postby stikygum » Tue Jan 20, 2009 9:37 pm

To be honest, I felt my TG33(SY22) had some cool sounds, but I felt it was a little dated in the sound you could use to vector together. Yeah, you can edit and it will sound cool, a little lofi or possibly dated still, but I think it will depend if you find the internal sounds to your liking. The thing I can't believe is that Skinny Puppy supposedly used this on their track called 'Download' off on the Last Rights cd. That sounded incredible. So maybe I just don't connect with this unit or don't have the effects to processing skill (which it was processed quite a bit).

Listening to clips, it sounds good actually. Maybe it was just my ears at the time, but the stock sounds are quite dated for sure. Has to be edited IMO to sound good.
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