ARP 2600 Performance on Chicago VII

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ARP 2600 Performance on Chicago VII

Postby MrFrodo » Mon Aug 19, 2013 5:37 am

Okay people, this is something which has long boggled my mind. This is a composition from Chicago VII titled "Italian from New York" (I imagine composer Robert Lamm is referring to himself in the title). I know that Lamm played an ARP 2600 on this track (as well as his more customary Rhodes piano part). What I've been dying to know since I first heard the song (in 1998) is what he did to make that synthesizer talk the way it does. (Harkens right back to the sort of sound which I know synths were designed for, random noises that weren't necessarily melodious.) Any thoughts or information?

Would it be possible to re-create those effects using software synths instead of the real 2600?

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Re: ARP 2600 Performance on Chicago VII

Postby nathanscribe » Mon Aug 19, 2013 12:17 pm

Sounds like frequency modulation to me: one oscillator modulated by another, the (silent) modulator being modulated in frequency itself by a moderately-paced sample and hold random LFO. I expect that would be easy enough in software.
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Re: ARP 2600 Performance on Chicago VII

Postby meatballfulton » Mon Aug 19, 2013 12:34 pm

Actually it sounds more like ring modulation creating the bell/metallic sounds, I agree that S&H with FM was probably used to create the glitchy effects. Those two features were present in both the 2600 and Odyssey and absent from the MiniMoog.
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Re: ARP 2600 Performance on Chicago VII

Postby MrFrodo » Mon Aug 19, 2013 3:40 pm

Oh wow, so one could actually re-create these effects with an Odyssey? That's a wake-up call.

What about the CreamWare Prodyssey?
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Re: ARP 2600 Performance on Chicago VII

Postby Broadwave » Mon Aug 19, 2013 6:28 pm

MrFrodo wrote:What about the CreamWare Prodyssey?


I had a Prodyssey once - I would NEVER try any form of Ring Mod/Cross Mod or sync with it because it will alias like crazy.

GMedia's Oddity VST is a far better bet.


Back to the topic... You can get all sorts of voice like timbres from the 2600 - VCO 3 pulse wave into the VCF mixer and modulate the filter with VCO 2 sine... crank up the resonance and adjust VCF freq ;)
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Re: ARP 2600 Performance on Chicago VII

Postby MrFrodo » Mon Aug 19, 2013 6:57 pm

Now, I'd just need the big bucks to get one - or to get a damaged one and have it restored. (It wouldn't need to have the 3620 keyboard, as long as it was a 2600.)
But, I'd probably just settle for an original Odyssey (preferably one of the MkII models with PPC).
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