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Roland VP-330

Postby Stojke » Wed Apr 23, 2014 6:14 am

Hello, a friend of mine wants to sell an Roland VP-330 Vocoder.
I have seen the prices on e-bay reach some very high amounts.

I am still to see it and its condition, but from his words its near mint.
What is an realistic price for this vintage vocoder?
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Re: Roland VP-330

Postby Bitexion » Wed Apr 23, 2014 6:21 am

Realistic price is what former VP-330s sold for on eBay. Not the "buy it now" price. That's really all we can say. The market decides, not us.
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Re: Roland VP-330

Postby Stojke » Wed Apr 23, 2014 6:54 am

What i see in sold listings is that they go for 3000$+
Do you know of any one who bought such a device or has experience with selling one?
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Re: Roland VP-330

Postby ppg_wavecomputer » Wed Apr 23, 2014 10:58 am

What revision is it? Does it have any issues? Any accessories like music rest, original stand and case, pedals, literature?

Realistically, an asking price around 1,500 US$ seems reasonable (2,000 US$ if there is some additional stuff coming with the unit). 3,000 US$ seems more like wishful thinking -- many auctions are priced like that in order to take excessive eBay fees into account (or make people offer money and sell the unit outside eBay in order to avoid eBay fees). Also, many units sold on eBay are in dubious shape electronically so asking 3,000US$ for an instrument which is prone to break is a bit daring...

A known culprit are the SAD BBDs used with the Mk. 1 (rocker switches). If one (or several) of these fail, good luck. There are other components which do not age well, and the Mk. 2 often has an annoying "click" sound in the Human Voice section which is caused by several BBDs (MN300X in that case) interacting with each other. This fault can be fixed but you ought to bear in mind that the VP is most likely in need of some overhaul -- if fully overhauled, your friend may of course ask more for the unit.

That being siad, the VP-330 is one of my all-time favourites. Wonderful keyboard.

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Re: Roland VP-330

Postby Cybercardinal » Wed Apr 23, 2014 1:27 pm

I have a MK1 that I paid 2000$ for a year ago. I think that was too much, especially considering it's drifting in pitch when I press every other key.

(Dont know if it needs recapping or what. Any suggestions?)

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Re: Roland VP-330

Postby Bitexion » Wed Apr 23, 2014 2:06 pm

Haha that pic is more Synthex porn than VP330 :)

Yeah that's why I said check the "sold price" not the "buy it now!" price of course. See what people actually bid and what it went for. But I don't know how you find ads for already sold items on ebay?
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Re: Roland VP-330

Postby groy » Wed Apr 23, 2014 2:37 pm

http://synthprices.blogspot.com/search/ ... d%20VP-330 (this is a forum member's site, no?)
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Re: Roland VP-330

Postby ppg_wavecomputer » Wed Apr 23, 2014 4:27 pm

Cybercardinal wrote:I have a MK1 that I paid 2000$ for a year ago. I think that was too much, especially considering it's drifting in pitch when I press every other key.

(Dont know if it needs recapping or what. Any suggestions?)



Not sure but I encountered a similar problem two times. First, it was a loose grounding wire, attached to the very right of the keyboard buss bar. Second, it was a slightly iffy mains lead with a broken wire.

Maybe this helps?

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Re: Roland VP-330

Postby Stojke » Thu Apr 24, 2014 8:57 am

I will know which version is it and in what state it is once i take a look at it.
I will also do a small test with it.

Anything i should keep in mind when testing?
What is prone to faulty the most, and what kind of test should i run to conclude its functionality, except of course trying every button :)
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Re: Roland VP-330

Postby ppg_wavecomputer » Thu Apr 24, 2014 10:25 am

Try the vocoder with some external microphone and make sure there are no strange-sounding artefacts, like distortion, high-pitched sideband modulation, hiss or something vaguely "metallic echo"-sounding. The capacitors in the vocoder section tend to deteriorate over the years and might need replacement (it was the case with mine). While you´re at it, make sure the Microphone and External Instrument inputs do not overload excessively, even with low levels run into them. If they distort too easily, there might be an op-amp problem. Try the Hold footswitch on the Vocoder section whether it actually freezes the sound run through the microphone.

Try the Human Voice section with and without Ensemble turned on. Make sure every key produces sound (same thing with Strings section). Make sure there is no intermittent sound or effects similar to what Cybercardinal described.

Check the triple-throw switch to the left of the keyboard for Autobend. This one is hard to replace when broken.

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Re: Roland VP-330

Postby Bitexion » Fri Apr 25, 2014 6:55 am

Sounds like a million hassles more than its worth. Can't imagine who would pay 2-3000 dollars for something so faulty.
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Re: Roland VP-330

Postby ppg_wavecomputer » Fri Apr 25, 2014 9:37 am

It´s not faulty, it´s old -- and you never know how well-maintained an instrument is, or how much care has been taken of it in course of its lifetime. If it has been treated well, there is no reason to keep you from buying (and enjoying) one -- only the price tag perhaps which is, of course, a bit over the top.

It wasn´t built (or sold) to last but with the idea in mind to replace it with the next advancement in technology. I think it´s a miracle they are still around.

As somebody put it on German synthesizerforum.de, vintage synthesisers are not for cowards.

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