Yamaha SY-77 vs Roland D-50

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Re: Yamaha SY-77 vs Roland D-50

Postby rickyd » Wed Dec 23, 2009 7:43 pm

I feel what you're sayin here and it's true too.

I just won a D-550 a week ago. IMO, the two sound similar as far as the glassy, chrystalline sheen and analog warmth goes (The latter more-so the D-550 of course).

The D-550 does sound nice, but just like you, I just don't hear the "magical", "living", "breathing" part though that many have said. Is that part just exaggeration :?: (Not a sarcastic question but just honestly being curious)?

I love using the TG-77 more as far as editing (Creating custom sounds) and the whole interface goes, but I like the D-550 sounds better overall because it can pull off those typical "breathy/ethnic" LA type sounds (I use a lot of that in my style of music).
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Re: Yamaha SY-77 vs Roland D-50

Postby D-Collector » Thu Dec 24, 2009 9:29 am

Have you tried anything other than the factory patches?

It doesn't really come alive until you program it yourself. But there are loads of nice patches out there.
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Re: Yamaha SY-77 vs Roland D-50

Postby rickyd » Thu Dec 24, 2009 2:47 pm

D-Collector wrote:Have you tried anything other than the factory patches?

It doesn't really come alive until you program it yourself. But there are loads of nice patches out there.


I am still learning how to program it. I just got it last last Friday. I downloaded a huge number of patches from the net and still going through them.

I have heard many patches over the net that others have created (esp. via youtube), and I still couldn't catch the "magical/alive" part of it's famous description. I think I may be trying too hard to hear it. I dunno. It does sound nice though, which is why I've been wanting one for the past year :D
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Re: Yamaha SY-77 vs Roland D-50

Postby braincandy » Thu Dec 24, 2009 4:59 pm

Ricky, I think you're trying too hard to hear it ("magical/alive").

It's easy to expect too much of synthesizers, especially when it's considered a classic and is also your new toy as in the case of your D-50. It takes time and doing your own programming (or acquiring some really good third party sounds) to see the kind of results you're expecting. One tip--use an external reverb on the D-50. The internal reverb is crappy.
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Re: Yamaha SY-77 vs Roland D-50

Postby _seph » Thu Dec 24, 2009 5:32 pm

rickyd wrote:...and I still couldn't catch the "magical/alive" part of it's famous description. I think I may be trying too hard to hear it...

LOL ... keep in mind that this is a synthesizer, metal and electronics... "magical" and "alive" aren't generally qualities ascribed to that. the D-50 is a fantastic and unique synth with a definite character all its own and i suppose that potentially equals "magical and alive" to some, but really it is a classic early digital synth that is capable of some fantastic sounds in the right hands. have fun.
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Re: Yamaha SY-77 vs Roland D-50

Postby 0e0 » Mon Jan 04, 2010 11:02 pm

b3groover wrote:


I don't think the D50 can do this. :)


this is an awesome demo.

i have a lot of fun emulating analog waveforms with fm operators...i'm slowly getting to the point where i can emulate complicated filters just with the ops alone. using different waveform variations you can do really nice bandpass/pwm stuff aswell.

if anyone is in the Montreal area next..i'll be doing a class and seminar at McGill University on fm synthesis using NI's FM7 and the SY77. If they let me i'll record it.

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Re: Yamaha SY-77 vs Roland D-50

Postby b3groover » Tue Jan 05, 2010 3:10 am

Thank you! Wish I could make your seminar. I'm digging back into FM after almost two decades away from it. There is a lot that can be done with it.

If you can record your seminar, that would be very cool.

I have not figured out how to do PWM convincingly yet. I am definitely curious to your thoughts on that.
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Re: Yamaha SY-77 vs Roland D-50

Postby Virgule » Tue Jan 05, 2010 7:08 am

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Re: Yamaha SY-77 vs Roland D-50

Postby wildpaws » Tue Jan 05, 2010 1:43 pm

I too would be interested in either reading or hearing your seminar (and both would be wonderful). I think there is still much unexplored territory in FM synthesis.
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Re: Yamaha SY-77 vs Roland D-50

Postby colmon » Wed Jan 06, 2010 10:50 pm

if anyone is interested in hearing a different, much darker side of the sy/tg-77 i strongly urge them to hunt down robert henke's album piercing music from 1994.

http://www.discogs.com/Robert-Henke-Pie ... ase/172875

now, can anyone point me in the direction of ambient/experimental uses of the d-50?
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Re: Yamaha SY-77 vs Roland D-50

Postby 0e0 » Sun Jan 31, 2010 2:43 am

Virgule wrote:OeO, I'm from the area and would gladly attend.
Please let us know the date and location or pm me the info, thanks.


hey it was on the 25th at the Music Technology lab at McGill. It was only for the class..not an open seminar..but for all those interested i might make a series of tutorials (for general fm and specific implementations-sy77,fm7,etc)

I was such a klutz in the class..i dropped my laptop(possibly crashing the hardrive?)...so having the SY77 there saved my ass...yay hardware. ha

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Re: Yamaha SY-77 vs Roland D-50

Postby wildpaws » Tue Feb 02, 2010 5:20 pm

j, any info for the SY77/99/TG77 is always much appreciated, I feel they are often overlooked synths that can do some great things. I and at least a couple of other members here also post on one of, if not the most active, SY forum on the net over at YamahaforumsUK (unofficial Yamaha site not affiliated nor recognized by Yamaha Corp.).
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Re: Yamaha SY-77 vs Roland D-50

Postby ihav2p » Tue Mar 02, 2010 4:24 pm

@b3groover

the way i know to get a pseudo PWM sound is make two saw waves in parallel. e.g. 2 x saws made of 2 op stacks. Then invert the carrier of one of the stacks to get a ramp wave and a saw wave. On my tg77 i do it by adjusting the phase of one carrier to 63. thats the basis i use and tweak from there. i got the basic theory from here:

http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/Mar03/a ... rets47.asp

i have another trick for a clean triangle if you want that too.
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Newfound SY-77 & D-50 lust

Postby rickyd » Mon May 07, 2012 7:19 pm

I bumped this 3 yr old thread (which I started btw) because I have a newfound lust for both of these machines.

I owned the rack versions of both of these synths before but I sold them not long after. I found that my Motif Rack was my main "go to" machine for bread & butter sounds. A few classic DX sounds made their way in my sound pallette too and remained a staple. Since my style of music calls for more realistic sounds and a few BASIC synth sounds here and there, I didn't see a real need for the D-550 or TG-77. I fell in love with the sounds they are capable of creating, but I didn't really find myself going to them often for my tracks. I just eventually saw that no matter how much you like something, there is no use in keeping it if it's just taking up space, which was literally the case.

Now I have interest in both of these synths again. I love the ethereal, analog-crystalline, and breathy sounds of the D-50/D-550, and the analog-FM, lushly metallic, and clangy melodic sounds of the SY-77/TG-77. Making the choice harder, both the SY-77/TG-77 and the D-50/D-550 are capable of marginally crossing each other's sonic territory, though both holding their own magic that the other can't touch. I really wouldn't mind getting one or the other, but I just don't want to have a redundant sound palette, ya know?

Hard choice here but it's a matter of my own priorities. I just posted here to get this gear lust off my chest.
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Re: Yamaha SY-77 vs Roland D-50

Postby wildpaws » Wed May 09, 2012 2:50 am

The best way I know of getting the "gear lust" off my chest is by purchasing the synths needed. My SY77 and SY99 are still my main synths and continue to produce almost all of the sounds/timbres I need.
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