Juno-60 vs Juno-106

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Juno-60 vs Juno-106

Postby laserboy » Wed Dec 05, 2012 11:01 pm

havent found this one over earch function yet
what is ur opinion? the 106 was my first synth around 20 years ago..
now im owning the juno-60 and loving it..dont really remember the 106s sound..is it as good?
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Re: Juno-60 vs Juno-106

Postby Pro5 » Thu Dec 06, 2012 2:46 am

Neither - Alpha Juno :D


edit > seriously - from the older ones - Juno 60 :mrgreen:
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Re: Juno-60 vs Juno-106

Postby dustinh » Thu Dec 06, 2012 4:07 am

This one has been talked about here several times. Anyway, the general consensus is that the juno-60 sounds nicer "warmer" supposedly, so if you've already got a 60 I wouldn't go trading it for a 106.
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Re: Juno-60 vs Juno-106

Postby Alex E » Thu Dec 06, 2012 5:17 am

Juno 60 - Sounds a little better, but very overpriced/overrated.

Juno 106 - Abundant and not too hard to find for a reasonable price... But the voice chips can die...

I second the Alpha Juno. Cheap and cheerful, awesome instrument!
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Re: Juno-60 vs Juno-106

Postby laserboy » Thu Dec 06, 2012 10:12 am

I had a Alpha Juno...didnt get along with it..even with the programmer
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Re: Juno-60 vs Juno-106

Postby cornutt » Thu Dec 06, 2012 9:24 pm

Feature-wise, the main differences are:

Juno-60: arpeggiator

Juno-106: MIDI, poly portamento, more patch memory

The voice circuitry is nearly identical. There's somewhat of a difference in the highpass filter. And yes, the 106 has the VCF/VCA hybrids that die. You can get clone replacements; I haven't tried them so I don't know how close they are to the original.
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Re: Juno-60 vs Juno-106

Postby Theokretes » Wed Dec 19, 2012 8:30 am

The JUNO-106 has a far less noisy chorus and a less squelchy filter (it uses 80017a, which actually sounds very different).
The JUNO-60 uses the IR3109 filter in a very discreet way providing a lot of squelch, and the chorus is slightly different as well. This filter first appeared in late model Jupiter-4s and was reused up until the JUNO-60.

I like the 60 better because it has a lot of open filtered noise (i.e. the noisy harmonics aren't filtered out).
I'd actually say the JUNO-106 is "warmer" in that you have far less distortion from the different chorus and filter.

A good example I made is this: www.youtube.com/watch?v=txhHsvAKZcs

You'll hear how absolutely distorted all of those upper harmonics become.

Again, not everyone likes that, in which case the smoother/warmer 106 would be advised. But I enjoy messy analog filter distortion.
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Re: Juno-60 vs Juno-106

Postby cornutt » Wed Dec 19, 2012 5:32 pm

Theokretes wrote:The JUNO-106 has a far less noisy chorus and a less squelchy filter (it uses 80017a, which actually sounds very different).


You do realize that the 80017a is simply four IR3109's mounted on a small board, right?
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Re: Juno-60 vs Juno-106

Postby Sir Ruff » Wed Dec 19, 2012 6:53 pm

laserboy wrote:havent found this one over earch function yet
what is ur opinion? the 106 was my first synth around 20 years ago..
now im owning the juno-60 and loving it..dont really remember the 106s sound..is it as good?


Seriously? You actually did a search for this and couldn't find any of the thousands of threads that discussed this exact topic?

And anyway, everyone knows the Juno-6 is the best since it is all analog with no digital memory to funk up the sound. Continuous HPF is also the BOMB.
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Re: Juno-60 vs Juno-106

Postby madtheory » Wed Dec 19, 2012 8:35 pm

Should make this a sticky. They're the fucking same. More "squelchy" my celiac arse.

Put a 60 and a 106 side by side, they sound exactly the same apart from a very minor bass boost in the HPF of the 106 (or is it the 60? Doesn't matter). If they sound different, then one of them needs calibrating.

106 is better because of MIDI and real time sysex control of all parameters. The 60 is prettier and has a better keyboard feel. Might explain the cognitive bias...
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Re: Juno-60 vs Juno-106

Postby Theokretes » Thu Dec 20, 2012 3:13 am

madtheory wrote:Should make this a sticky. They're the fucking same. More "squelchy" my celiac arse.

Put a 60 and a 106 side by side, they sound exactly the same apart from a very minor bass boost in the HPF of the 106 (or is it the 60? Doesn't matter). If they sound different, then one of them needs calibrating.

106 is better because of MIDI and real time sysex control of all parameters. The 60 is prettier and has a better keyboard feel. Might explain the cognitive bias...


By that logic BA662 is the same as IR3109.

And yes, it's quite a whole lot scratchier:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxK4riOvzLs
www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCqu9lYNGb8
www.youtube.com/watch?v=98fjA0qNt8Q <-- 26 seconds in
Prove to me that you can recreate those exact resonance effects on 80017a.

Please note this is in regards to the filter. The waveforms from both synths are very basic and easily reproducible.
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Re: Juno-60 vs Juno-106

Postby Alex E » Thu Dec 20, 2012 12:12 pm

^ I've played both a 106 and a 6 and they certainly sound similar enough. I thought the 6 sounded a little nicer but when it comes to getting your money's worth, you're not gonna fuckin' get it with the Juno 60 over a fully working 106.

madtheory wrote:Should make this a sticky. They're the fucking same. More "squelchy" my celiac arse.

Agreed.
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Re: Juno-60 vs Juno-106

Postby madtheory » Thu Dec 20, 2012 12:36 pm

Theokretes, why did you mention the VCA? Again:
cornutt wrote:You do realize that the 80017a is simply four IR3109's mounted on a small board, right?

I've already explained how to prove for yourself that they're the same. Unfortunately I no longer have access to both synths.
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Re: Juno-60 vs Juno-106

Postby madtheory » Thu Dec 20, 2012 1:44 pm

And here's cornutt's analysis:
http://sequence15.blogspot.ie/2008/10/w ... -from.html
So you'll see you're incorrect about the chorus circuit as well- it's identical on to 60 and 106. So you were probably comparing an out of cal/ faulty 60 with a 106. In that case a 60 will definitely sound more "organic", "warmer" etc.
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Re: Juno-60 vs Juno-106

Postby Theokretes » Fri Dec 21, 2012 3:28 am

madtheory wrote:And here's cornutt's analysis:
http://sequence15.blogspot.ie/2008/10/w ... -from.html
So you'll see you're incorrect about the chorus circuit as well- it's identical on to 60 and 106. So you were probably comparing an out of cal/ faulty 60 with a 106. In that case a 60 will definitely sound more "organic", "warmer" etc.


The Juno-106 sounds "warmer" in the sense that the output seems to be a lot cleaner. My JUNO-60's chorus is probably a bit off (and I'm sure you'll agree if you listened to the samples I provided), but I quite like that.

And unfortunately, you're wrong. IR3109 is in a far less integrated state than 80017a, and thus the resonance is a lot different equating much closer to IR3R05. As you integrate a design it becomes sonically different. You *do* realize that IR3109 was derived from the discreet BA662 filter but in a single chip? Even though they're the same, that integration caused a substantial change in resonance.

Again, until you or someone else can duplicate the resonance effects that I demonstrated in IR3109 with 80017a, posting text from a blogspot to refute an audio sample isn't the correct counter.
And I already know it can't be done because I've heard 80017a resonance.
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