Juno-60 vs Juno-106

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Re: Juno-60 vs Juno-106

Postby Sir Ruff » Thu Feb 14, 2013 9:06 pm

philip wrote:
redchapterjubilee wrote:After years of reading this debate I finally had the chance to compare a 60 at the studio I used last year to my 106 and with as much argument that I've read off and on in the 8 years I've been a member on this board (and the year or two I lurked before that) that there really isn't much of a difference between the Juno 60 and 106 in basic tone. Even the engineer who owned the Juno 60 was surprised, as he's had his since the mid '90s and always felt like he had the ugly stepchild to the 106 instead of the real thing.



I would argue with that. I got both, and I find that in terms of tone they are pretty different. I think that 106 is more gentle and absolutely universal and can be used in many different genres.
While 60 is more straightforward and raw and for me is less inspiring than 106.
So I would say they have different characters and I would say they can complement each other.


Phew, after all the technical gibberish, it's really nice to hear a completely subjective opinion.
Do you even post on vse bro?
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Re: Juno-60 vs Juno-106

Postby nathanscribe » Thu Feb 14, 2013 10:18 pm

Sir Ruff wrote:I'm wondering, after I get both the 106 (for pads) and the 60 (for raw), if I should also get the 6... I keep reading that the lack of a quantized HPF and digital memory really makes it sound more analog.


No.

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I've been using a 6 and 60 side-by-side for nearly 20 years. There is bare any audible difference at all.

Over the 20 years I've had them, I don't think the two synths have ever sounded exactly alike, but neither have they sounded different enough that I can tell which is which in a recording, except where I remember which I used. The only thing I can say for sure is that my 6 feels slightly less stable than my 60, and is noisier. But that's not a 'more analogue' type of instability, and it's extremely subtle, and may well be due to factors other than the 60's digital storage. After all, the oscillators are driven in the same way, quantisation of envelope control voltages should have no timbral effect, and quantisation (and thereby, perhaps, stabilisation) of levels of modulation and audio are not, I think, major factors. If anything would be noticeable between the two synths because of the digital patch thing, it would be the filter cutoff and resonance. I don't find that it matters, if it's there. Certainly my two units could be calibrated differently, and maybe that's where the (very subtle) difference lies.

As far as I remember, never have I though the 60 sounded 'less analogue' than the 6. I never turn it on and think 'gosh I'm so disappointed'. If there's quantisation stepping in any of the slider parameters, it's not audible enough to be an issue, at least I never considered it so, or even noticed - except when fine-tuning the cutoff on the 60 and then re-loading the patch. Sometimes - only rarely - is it not quite where I wanted it. But the amount of difference is so minute it's not something I would worry about, as setting a slider free-hand is no less troublesome.

There are other factors though. The 6 forces immediacy, but the 60 tempts a certain degree of laziness with having those memories. Then again, the 60's DCB is nice as it can be sequenced without retrofits. Both can be clocked externally so arpeggios are no different.

I've heard rumours/read comments on the so-called 'stepping' of the resonance on these things. All I observe is the way the harmonics of the oscillator's wave are emphasised as the filter sweeps. No 'stepping' as such. The 60 does not sound digital, if that's what people mean when they talk about this.

Both are lovely synths. I originally got the 60 to replace the 6, but kept both. I haven't ever regretted that decision 8-)
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Re: Juno-60 vs Juno-106

Postby Markham45 » Tue Feb 19, 2013 4:52 am

The Juno 6 takes the cake over both
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Re: Juno-60 vs Juno-106

Postby Pro5 » Wed Mar 13, 2013 8:53 pm

Markham45 wrote:The Juno 6 takes the cake over both


no way! I had a Juno 6 and hated the lack of patch memory.

106 all the way! :D
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Re: Juno-60 vs Juno-106

Postby Virgule » Thu Mar 14, 2013 9:34 pm

I'll post this clip just for the fun of it.

For the design and performance view, the 106 is clearly the winner.

Watch on youtube.com
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Re: Juno-60 vs Juno-106

Postby Pro5 » Fri Mar 15, 2013 3:45 pm

106 please
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Re: Juno-60 vs Juno-106

Postby Virgule » Fri Mar 15, 2013 6:40 pm

I specified it was thrown in for no real reason other than to show all 3 (JX, 60, 106) have the same character, any which way you want to see it.
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Re: Juno-60 vs Juno-106

Postby Bitexion » Fri Mar 15, 2013 7:18 pm

I had a 106 a couple years ago. Casually watching my mixer one day, I noticed two small periodic signals going up and down on the juno channel, with no other sound. Turned up the volume really loud, and heard periodic "hissing" from the chorus. The hissing changed speed with the different chorus settings. So it's quite noisy. But damn, the 106 sounds creamy.
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Re: Juno-60 vs Juno-106

Postby Pro5 » Sat Mar 16, 2013 1:45 pm

Finally got one [ JUNO 60 ! ] - been a long time without my Juno 6 - and the 60 is beautiful. Patch memory is a godsend and the sound, while simple, is as juicy, full and airy as I recall. Happy days :)

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Re: Juno-60 vs Juno-106

Postby Pro5 » Mon Mar 18, 2013 1:18 am

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Re: Juno-60 vs Juno-106

Postby Floss » Thu Mar 21, 2013 2:42 am

Holy c**p... Sound wise can anyone say the difference between the 106 and the 3p
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Re: Juno-60 vs Juno-106

Postby Pro5 » Mon Mar 25, 2013 1:41 pm

Floss wrote:Holy c**p... Sound wise can anyone say the difference between the 106 and the 3p


yeah, simple, 106 has proper PWM and 3P has a second OSC with sync/x-mod. Filters if pushed are probably a bit different too. 106 probably has the better overal filter response even though they are the same filters (just like the 60 does too)

The above video is showing only the sounds that both can do, not the sounds that they can do that the other can't (of which there are many). Lots of synths can be made to sound very similar not even just a pair of Rolands, it's where they can sound different that really defines a synth imo.
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