JD-800 vs V-Synth

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Which is "the one"?

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JD-800 vs V-Synth

Postby Pro5 » Thu Aug 08, 2013 11:43 am

?

I see a bit of overlap in these, and in fact if you took the time you could make a fairly decent JD emulation on the V-Synth (inc using all the original waves). V-Synth has a lot of improvements over the JD on a feature/productivity level (Midi Sync on everything inc effects/lfos/arp etc) - it has the ARP that goes out over midi giving any other synth an ARP basically. It has an almost infinite world of sound via sampling and does stuff no other hardware synth does.

Then there's the VA side which isn't bad, not mind blowing but certainly as good as many soft synths - and when in the package of the V-Synth as a whole (so you can use just a little layered with samples, or resample a VA patch and layer that), it has PWM and can sound more analog on the OSC level than the JD-800. It's just as much fun to use as the JD, if not slightly more even with less sliders, because the touchscreen is so fast to use and really taps into the power (while the JD uses menus for effects etc which can be a bit slow sometimes).

Sounds like the V-Synth takes gold easily then?

Not quite... for me.

Filters. While the TB filter on the V-Synth is really cool, the standard one sounds kinda average - certainly compared to the JD-800 which has a beautiful filter sound. And it's in the filters I feel the JD sounds a bit thicker, warmer and even more analog at times. Also the bass end on the JD is thicker and warmer. It seems to react and feel a bit more 'analog' even without a VA engine (and no PWM etc). It also has a wider sound as standard for some reasons, sounds 'bigger' to me.

I see they both have pros and cons yet I love them both - probably the 2 best digital synths Roland ever produced, in fact they are 2 of the best synths they ever made digital or not.

Productivity wise the V-Synth wins, it can be the control centre of everything with all it's midi integration and externally clocked tempo stuff. And it's hardly a slouch on the sound and will give you far more unique/unheard of sounds when you start pushing it (sampling). It's VA side covers a lot of general analog duties from bass to leads and pads (and not just "trance pads" thankfully).

Yet the JD has something special about it's sound, it has authority and clarity, sounds expensive and sounds/feels (if you program it to do so) like a top flight analog synth but with a slightly different sound.

The best choice would be to have both/keep both but I do not like overlap in my gear, are two of the biggest/best flagship digitals Roland made, overkill?

If you could have only one which would it be? why?

The V-Synth in question is the original V2 which is an absolute bargain these days second hand (and very well built) - they can go for around the same price on ebay too.

I definitely feel with both (and an SY77) I have a lot of digital areas covered: FM, Sampling, VA and PCM/Rompler-ish. But am I just hanging on to them both cos they are so sexy and fun to use instead of being a man and letting one of them go? Should I feel guilty having two (edit: 3 inc the SY77!) monster digitals while having no monster analogs? :lol:
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Re: JD-800 vs V-Synth

Postby max badwan » Thu Aug 08, 2013 10:57 pm

Serious question: if you don't like "overlap", why keep the D50? (I'm no Snow White in that regard either.)
There are a ton of real similarities - but I think a question that needs to be asked is "if they were from different manufacturers, would I keep them?"
Me, I'd probably keep them both (all three!), but if you feel the need to purge, I'd probably dispose of the V-Synth first, on the basis that it's newer (and therefore more readily replaceable in the future), and most of the kool things it does can be done in software.
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Re: JD-800 vs V-Synth

Postby Pro5 » Thu Aug 08, 2013 11:05 pm

max badwan wrote:Serious question: if you don't like "overlap", why keep the D50? (I'm no Snow White in that regard either.)
There are a ton of real similarities - but I think a question that needs to be asked is "if they were from different manufacturers, would I keep them?"
Me, I'd probably keep them both (all three!), but if you feel the need to purge, I'd probably dispose of the V-Synth first, on the basis that it's newer (and therefore more readily replaceable in the future), and most of the kool things it does can be done in software.


noooooooooooooooooooooooooooo way is the V-synth going. Sorry I wasn't clear. The question is more do I need the JD now I have a V-Synth? :) - Yes you can get software, I don't like using software that much for this kind of thing - V-synth is an amazing sound design device all in one.

Ok the D-50? Bought it cos found it cheap and I like them but that will be the first to go don't worry. And I love the D-50 but I've used it so much over the years (on my 4th now). JD and VS still give me something different. And D-50s are in plentiful supply, one of the top 3 best selling synths ever, built like a tank so they survive. I can (and have) picked up D-50s whenever I wanted one. the Price I got the V-Synth for won't happen again any time soon, same with the JD

thanks for the reply though!
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Re: JD-800 vs V-Synth

Postby max badwan » Thu Aug 08, 2013 11:31 pm

D-50s are hens teeth in Australia. Don't change hands that often, anyways.
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Re: JD-800 vs V-Synth

Postby Pro5 » Thu Aug 08, 2013 11:34 pm

max badwan wrote:D-50s are hens teeth in Australia. Don't change hands that often, anyways.


They are on ebay all the time in the UK.
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Re: JD-800 vs V-Synth

Postby Z » Thu Aug 08, 2013 11:36 pm

I have no experience with the V-Synth other than brief tinkering at local GC when they came out 10 years or so ago. I know there is tons of love for the V-Synth here on VSE and I have considered adding one to my collection if I find one at a good price (I did let one slip by about a year ago).

As I've mentioned several times here on VSE, the JD-800 is one of my "desert island" synths. Its immediacy is a key factor with my fondness for the synth.

I understand the V-Synth has a decent VA, but I hear its real strength is in manipulation of samples. Therefore, both synths should be considered keepers.
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Re: JD-800 vs V-Synth

Postby Stab Frenzy » Fri Aug 09, 2013 6:24 am

max badwan wrote:D-50s are hens teeth in Australia. Don't change hands that often, anyways.

I see them quite often. Just had a quick look in my local shop and they just sold one: http://www.musicswopshop.com.au/stock?search=MSS+26087
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Re: JD-800 vs V-Synth

Postby synthroom » Fri Aug 09, 2013 6:41 am

I've got a D-50 and a JD-800, and someday I'll get a V-synth, and keep them all.

I've had the D-50 since about 1992, and I just love the sounds it makes. The JD was something I played with when they came out, and only recently bought. The sliders are what makes it fun, and I love it's sound as well.

I just bought a Kurzweil K2000s for cheap and while I haven't played with a V-synth since they came out, the K2000s can do some interesting sample mangling, so I'm interested in seeing what the V can do.
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Re: JD-800 vs V-Synth

Postby madtheory » Fri Aug 09, 2013 8:26 am

Just to point out: the V-Synth D50 is exactly the same as a D50. Exactly. Well, without the slight hiss. You can even use the PG800 with it. The UI is a lot nicer with a touch screen than the clunky little screen on a D50.

I personally preferred the sound of the "V Synth" output mode to the "D50". It sounds like a D50 run through a nice DI box. But without the hiss.
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Re: JD-800 vs V-Synth

Postby max badwan » Sat Aug 10, 2013 8:34 am

Stab Frenzy wrote:
max badwan wrote:D-50s are hens teeth in Australia. Don't change hands that often, anyways.

I see them quite often. Just had a quick look in my local shop and they just sold one: http://www.musicswopshop.com.au/stock?search=MSS+26087

I need to get out more....
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Re: JD-800 vs V-Synth

Postby Pro5 » Mon Aug 12, 2013 3:02 pm

thanks for the replies/votes.

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Re: JD-800 vs V-Synth

Postby Hugo76 » Wed Aug 14, 2013 1:30 am

@ Pro5:

Do you know if the V-Synth librarian works with Windows 8?
I've had no luck setting it up so far. Maybe there are alternative softwares?
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Re: JD-800 vs V-Synth

Postby Pro5 » Wed Aug 14, 2013 12:43 pm

Hugo76 wrote:@ Pro5:

Do you know if the V-Synth librarian works with Windows 8?
I've had no luck setting it up so far. Maybe there are alternative softwares?



I'm on windows 7 where it works fine, sorry can't answer about 8.
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Re: JD-800 vs V-Synth

Postby Hugo76 » Wed Aug 14, 2013 3:58 pm

Pro5 wrote:
Hugo76 wrote:@ Pro5:

Do you know if the V-Synth librarian works with Windows 8?
I've had no luck setting it up so far. Maybe there are alternative softwares?



I'm on windows 7 where it works fine, sorry can't answer about 8.


Ok, thanks. Dang, I bitterly regret installing Winndows 8. The whole thing is a mess, and a mindblowingly bad OS without a shell installed over it. I might just go for Apple the next time
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Re: JD-800 vs V-Synth

Postby Pro5 » Wed Aug 14, 2013 5:06 pm

Hugo76 wrote:
Pro5 wrote:
Hugo76 wrote:@ Pro5:

Do you know if the V-Synth librarian works with Windows 8?
I've had no luck setting it up so far. Maybe there are alternative softwares?



I'm on windows 7 where it works fine, sorry can't answer about 8.


Ok, thanks. Dang, I bitterly regret installing Winndows 8. The whole thing is a mess, and a mindblowingly bad OS without a shell installed over it. I might just go for Apple the next time


WEll I agree with you windows 8, I quickly uninstalled it after trying it. WIndows 7 rocks. However I wouldn't go running off to a nerfed system like a MACosx which itself hast many problems when updated and is no 'better' than windows 7. Also the hardware is over-priced :)

oh look the start of a mac vs PC debate - sorry guys - so which of the two synths is the mac and which is the windows PC? :lol:
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