Can the CS80V (softsynth) respond to poly aftertouch?

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Can the CS80V (softsynth) respond to poly aftertouch?

Postby steveman » Sat Oct 28, 2006 10:42 pm

With the mentioning of the poly aftertouch on the SQ-80, and the fact that the real thing will never cross my path (cost, weight etc. etc.), I wondered if this could be a way to get some of the 'real' thing. I'd need a pitch ribbon too of course :)

Remember playing one once back in about 1978/9 at a Yamaha roadshow. Demoed by Dave Bristow, who did all the DX seminars too.
Even with my limited technique I realised there was somthing special with the poly aftertouch and the pitch ribbon.
I realise a softsynth isn't the real thing, but as I'm never likely to come across that, well the CS80V and the poly aftertouch keyboard of the SQ-80 could be close enough...

So the key question is... in the title ;)

BTW if the CS80V doesn't respond to poly AT it's a most stupid decision.

In the fullness of time I could even get 1 or 2 (8 would be too expensive I think) MOTM CS80 filters, just to give it some analogue goodness.
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Postby WDW » Sat Oct 28, 2006 11:02 pm

Yep. From the Arutia website:

Features
* Stereo synthesizer
* Polyphonic (8 voices)
* No aliasing from 0.1 Hz to 16 kHz
* 64-bit floating point precision
* Sampling rate: up to 96 kHz
* More than 400 presets, made by professionals
* Playable through a MIDI keyboard
* 2 oscillators
* 4 filters
* 2 LFOs
* 4 ADSR envelopes
* 2 VCAs
* 1 sub-oscillator (for vibrato)
* 1 arpeggiator
* 1 stereo delay
* 1 chorus
* 1 ring modulator
* Expression and sustain pedals
* Ribbon controller
* Polyphonic after touch
* Multi mode (allowing to assign a different sound to each polyphonic voice)
* Modulation matrix: a choice of 12 sources and 38 destinations


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Postby zingo » Sat Oct 28, 2006 11:05 pm

Yes, the CS-80V supports polyphonic aftertouch.
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Re: Can the CS80V (softsynth) respond to poly aftertouch?

Postby stalla » Sat Oct 28, 2006 11:12 pm

steveman wrote: time I could even get 1 or 2 (8 would be too expensive I think) MOTM CS80 filters, just to give it some analogue goodness.

CS80 has got 16 of them ! :wink:
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Postby Bitexion » Sat Oct 28, 2006 11:19 pm

Going to try that with the Ensoniq SQ-80 I'll hopefully get sometime soon :) It is one of very few keybeds with real poly aftertouch. The usual AT is "channel aftertouch", which means it affect all the voices at the same time, no matter where you apply pressure.

Will also be cool to run the Ion via Poly AT. Its mod matrix has Poly AT as a destination, but not in the internal keyboard.

However, according to Vangelis it makes the CS-80 that much harder to play properly, because you need to develop a playing style that emphasise aftertouch aswell as just just pushing the keys down. You'll see him lean back and forth while playing, using his body weight to add aftertouch, and he is constantly varying the volume with a CV pedal aswell.
He once said that the CS-80 was his fave synthesizer because it allowed him to play with the entire body, not just the fingers. Alot of his trademark sound is made by expression. Playing the CS-80(V) without using aftertouch or pressure sensitivity, you just won't be able to sound like he does.

And for gods sake, don't let this thread turn into a "VST vs the Real thing" sound slap-fight, like so many others.
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Postby steveman » Sun Oct 29, 2006 2:31 am

WDW wrote:Yep. From the Arutia website:

Features
* Stereo synthesizer
* Polyphonic (8 voices)
* No aliasing from 0.1 Hz to 16 kHz
* 64-bit floating point precision
* Sampling rate: up to 96 kHz
* More than 400 presets, made by professionals
* Playable through a MIDI keyboard
* 2 oscillators
* 4 filters
* 2 LFOs
* 4 ADSR envelopes
* 2 VCAs
* 1 sub-oscillator (for vibrato)
* 1 arpeggiator
* 1 stereo delay
* 1 chorus
* 1 ring modulator
* Expression and sustain pedals
* Ribbon controller
* Polyphonic after touch
* Multi mode (allowing to assign a different sound to each polyphonic voice)
* Modulation matrix: a choice of 12 sources and 38 destinations


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Oops :o missed that when I looked, cheers

CS80 has got 16 of them !


1 or 2 it is then....
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Postby cbjlietuva » Sun Oct 29, 2006 2:35 am

it's been answered- but YES!!! i love it!!! I've got an sq80 and that's the way!

if you go to my myspace or last.fm pages, you can listen to two tracks made solely with the CS80v : d'Maj & Dresden Crest responds well- but in my AU host program i have to jack the MIDI sesitivity WAAAY up to get the velocity action to respond right, but poly-aftertouch works fine wither way.
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Postby cbjlietuva » Sun Oct 29, 2006 2:46 am

Bitexion wrote:Will also be cool to run the Ion via Poly AT. Its mod matrix has Poly AT as a destination, but not in the internal keyboard.


you can control it- i've done it with my SQ80- BUT, it's not poly, it's channel aftertouch essentially that's what mod wheel 2 by default controls via MIDI. I found this out on accident when i was messing with the CS80v for the first time and the Ion was all I had. To control the Ion you can switch the sq80's 'pressure' mode from poly to channel.
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Postby WDW » Sun Oct 29, 2006 4:08 am

cbjlietuva wrote:
Bitexion wrote:Will also be cool to run the Ion via Poly AT. Its mod matrix has Poly AT as a destination, but not in the internal keyboard.


you can control it- i've done it with my SQ80- BUT, it's not poly, it's channel aftertouch essentially that's what mod wheel 2 by default controls via MIDI. I found this out on accident when i was messing with the CS80v for the first time and the Ion was all I had. To control the Ion you can switch the sq80's 'pressure' mode from poly to channel.



From the Mod Source section (page 74) of the ION's manual...

MIDI Channel Pressure -- Monophonic (per MIDI Channel) Aftertouch, MIDI Only
MIDI Aftertouch -- Polyphonic (per note) Aftertouch, MIDI Only

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Postby cbjlietuva » Sun Oct 29, 2006 4:31 am

:lol: hehe, i guess that shows how much i read my manuals!
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Postby Bitexion » Sun Oct 29, 2006 12:24 pm

Haven't you noticed the Poly AT mod destination when messing with the matrix on the Ion before?
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Postby cbjlietuva » Sun Oct 29, 2006 5:39 pm

i may have- but i probably paid it no thought... some of the abbreviations in the matrix's menu are odd anyway... here's my brain-numbness again but, what would you do with it as a destination anyway?
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Postby Bitexion » Wed Nov 01, 2006 2:26 am

Well, in the Source side you usually tell what module you want to be modulated by the destination.

So you'll tell the Osc1 pitch full to be modulated by Poly AT and set a mod.level. And thus the pitch will respond to aftertouch independantly on EACH KEY.
If you have a poly aftertouch controller of course.
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Postby cbjlietuva » Wed Nov 01, 2006 5:45 am

nice!... i only wish my sq80 had a big ol knob that was dedicated solely to changing the MIDI channel, then i'd use it to control all my MIDI gear :D

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