E-MU Sampler as a Mellotron substitute?

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E-MU Sampler as a Mellotron substitute?

Postby Weirdofromouterspace » Fri Jul 25, 2014 10:25 am

Hi,

I am considering buying a sampler such as the E-MU ESI-32 (you can get one equipped with 32 MB for less than, or about, 100 Euros over here), feed it some purchased or free Mellotron samples, connect a MIDI keyboard, and use that as a Mellotron substitute.

Is that a good idea, or complete nonsense?
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Re: E-MU Sampler as a Melltron substitute?

Postby ppg_wavecomputer » Fri Jul 25, 2014 10:48 am

This is a good idea, and rather cost-effective at that, too. I have done this for years, using self-made samples of real Trons or the sounds that have been made available through Emu themselves or companies like Masterbits. For years I couldn´t see any point in buying a Memotron or a Resch Mellotron...

... although I must confess, psychologically, it does make a difference whether you are playing the samples from a master keyboard controller of sorts or from a device that is designed to look and perform like a real Mellotron -- that´s why I finally ended up getting the Resch 4000D.

When sampling the Tron into your Emu, make sure you don´t loop the samples -- you *can´t* sustain notes forever on a Tron which does affect your playing technique and, ultimately, the way it sounds in your music.

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Re: E-MU Sampler as a Mellotron substitute?

Postby Weirdofromouterspace » Fri Jul 25, 2014 1:23 pm

Hi Stephen,

thanks a lot!

... wobei wir unter uns ja auch gleich auf Deutsch hätten schreiben können ;) .
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Re: E-MU Sampler as a Mellotron substitute?

Postby ppg_wavecomputer » Fri Jul 25, 2014 3:17 pm

Da hätten wir aber Schimpfe vom Moderator bekommen, von wegen, Forumsprache Englisch ;)...

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Re: E-MU Sampler as a Mellotron substitute?

Postby gcoudert » Sun Jul 27, 2014 7:54 pm

The e-Mu samples are looped and too clean. The Mike Pinder ones are grittier and unlooped (I have both). You might want to look for a copy of the latter if you're after a more vintage sound.
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Re: E-MU Sampler as a Mellotron substitute?

Postby garranimal » Sun Jul 27, 2014 8:03 pm

I have the esi-32 and love it for the great D/A converters with warm filters. The older e-mu, akai, and ensoniq (I briefly had an ASR-10) samplers still sound great to these ears. Be sure to check out which rom version comes with the unit in question to see if the extended filter sets are available. It is also critical to know how much ram is already on board, I don't know if the upgrade (old) ram chips are easily available or what they might cost.
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Re: E-MU Sampler as a Mellotron substitute?

Postby Weirdofromouterspace » Mon Jul 28, 2014 8:09 am

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gcoudert wrote:The e-Mu samples are looped and too clean. The Mike Pinder ones are grittier and unlooped (I have both). You might want to look for a copy of the latter if you're after a more vintage sound.


thanks for the advice, I'll look for the Mike Pinder ones then!

garranimal wrote:I have the esi-32 and love it for the great D/A converters with warm filters. The older e-mu, akai, and ensoniq (I briefly had an ASR-10) samplers still sound great to these ears. Be sure to check out which rom version comes with the unit in question to see if the extended filter sets are available. It is also critical to know how much ram is already on board, I don't know if the upgrade (old) ram chips are easily available or what they might cost.


Yayyyyy... I bid on an E-MU ESI-32 including a 300 MB SCSI HDD (hopefully full of great samples ;) - I'll see when it arrives) on German Ebay on Saturday, and I got it for less than 70 Euros :D . It is equipped with 32 MB RAM so I won't need to look for a RAM upgrade.
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Re: E-MU Sampler as a Mellotron substitute?

Postby ppg_wavecomputer » Mon Jul 28, 2014 10:19 am

The Mike Pinder library also contains some Chamberlin stuff but last time I saw a copy of the CDROM for sale, it was hideously expensive (more expensive than your ESI, actually). You might also want to try and find one of Klaus Hoffmann-Hoock´s early Mellotron sampling CDs that he was offering before he struck a deal with MasterBits, G-Force, and Manikin.

Agree with what has been said about the Emu samples -- they are too clean-sounding to be really authentic indeed but it´s easy to add a little imperfection and nearly impossible to take it away. Running a sampled Tron through all sorts of external lo-fi stuff helps tremendously to make the overall "feel" more authentic.

Stay away from the Propeller Island Mellotron Sampling CD that was brought out sometime in the early 1990s -- not really convincingly made, I´m sorry to say so.

While we are at it, I have a copy of the Masterbits sample CDROM for sale, now that I have got a Memotron...

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Re: E-MU Sampler as a Mellotron substitute?

Postby Weirdofromouterspace » Mon Jul 28, 2014 10:33 am

Hi,

ppg_wavecomputer wrote:The Mike Pinder library also contains some Chamberlin stuff but last time I saw a copy of the CDROM for sale, it was hideously expensive (more expensive than your ESI, actually).


I just found that out as well. They sell them for $199 plus shipping :? via mellotron.com...

ppg_wavecomputer wrote:While we are at it, I have a copy of the Masterbits sample CDROM for sale, now that I have got a Memotron...


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Re: E-MU Sampler as a Mellotron substitute?

Postby Syn-Fi » Mon Jul 28, 2014 11:04 am

Clavia Nord has some great Mellotron samples for the Nord Wave and they're approved by Mellotron. I think you can use them in the Nord Stage.

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Re: E-MU Sampler as a Mellotron substitute?

Postby Weirdofromouterspace » Mon Jul 28, 2014 11:06 am

Hi,

Syn-Fi wrote:Clavia Nord has some great Mellotron samples for the Nord Wave and they're approved by Mellotron. I think you can use them in the Nord Stage.


erm... that's nice, but I don't have a Nord Stage (nor any other Clavia instruments ;) ). The sampler I'll hopefully receive this week is an E-MU ESI-32.
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Re: E-MU Sampler as a Mellotron substitute?

Postby madtheory » Tue Jul 29, 2014 8:53 am

Actually the Mike Pinder library sounds all have a very gentle attack, not the usual Mellotron bark, so it won't cover all your needs. It is worth having though. Much easier to do pads with these sounds, and choirs are gorgeous.
ppg_wavecomputer wrote:Stay away from the Propeller Island Mellotron Sampling CD that was brought out sometime in the early 1990s -- not really convincingly made, I´m sorry to say so.

What do you mean? The sound is very good. It compares really well with G Force M Tron. It sounds like a regular M400 but you only get male voices, flute, strings and some silly sound effects though.

I ended up using Redmatica Autosampler to get my fully expanded G Force M Tron into Kontakt. More flexibility and cheaper than the G Force upgrade.

With the Propeller Island, Mike Pinder and the (shock horror) looped stuff from the Emu library, I'm covered. I also have the Optigan.com discs.
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