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1492 flute'ish loop

Postby CS_TBL » Tue May 03, 2011 4:13 pm

Observe the first ~12 seconds.

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There's this flute'ish loop starting at just under 0:02. Considering the period this track was produced, and considering I've heard this loop being used elsewhere too, I'd say this was probably a typical sample from a bigname sampler (E-Mu, Fairlight, Synclav, or a regular Akai, Ensoniq or Roland for all I care). Does anyone know where it comes from, and whether it can be found online somewhere in isolation (dry/clean, no effects or other tracks behind it)? I don't intend to use it, merely trying to rebuild it acurately with FM8. ^^
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Re: 1492 flute'ish loop

Postby Z » Tue May 03, 2011 5:02 pm

Beautiful piece! I hadn't heard that one. I'm going to have to check out the rest of the score.

At first, the "loop" just sounded like a quikcly arpeggiated synth, so I got on Wiki to learn more and saw this:
On this soundtrack, Vangelis plays together with a number of performers, including two Flamenco guitarists and vocalists, violin, mandolin and flutes.
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So the "loop" could indeed be something completely original.

Best of luck to your search and look forward to your FM8 recreation.
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Re: 1492 flute'ish loop

Postby D-Collector » Tue May 03, 2011 5:31 pm

Beautiful music...

I too have heard this sound before, I think it sounds like some very fancy S+S / rompler preset. You can clearly hear it speed up as it transposes. Definately based on a loop. Of course it might be a sampler. I'll keep looking..
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Re: 1492 flute'ish loop

Postby ndkent » Wed May 04, 2011 2:37 am

Vangelis for better or worse is very into the the big Korg romplers like the T1. If it sounds familiar look there.

As far as I know he's never had the systems like the Fairlight and Synclavier.

He's used the Akai samplers in the years following his use of Emulator & Emulator 2. He's had an Emu E4x as well.
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Re: 1492 flute'ish loop

Postby antilles » Thu May 12, 2011 11:41 pm

Yeah great stuff indeed. As mentioned I think it could be an arpeggiated flute.
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Re: 1492 flute'ish loop

Postby D-Collector » Tue May 31, 2011 1:14 am

I stumbled upon the same sound in this clip, listen from around 00:52 - 01:35:

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Re: 1492 flute'ish loop

Postby b3groover » Tue May 31, 2011 1:33 am

From wikipedia:

"Vangelis plays all synthesizers, using mainly string patches but also several ethnic ones, to reflect the character of the film, and electric piano and harp patches. Some calmer, atmospheric pieces (tracks 3, 7, 11 and 12) are entirely performed by Vangelis, using pianos, strings and harp."

Track 12 is the one in question.

I've heard the sound before, too. Wavestation perhaps?
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Re: 1492 flute'ish loop

Postby tallowwaters » Tue May 31, 2011 1:38 am

If you really want to know, I would recommend asking Micke.

I actually have this album, and it is a sound I've heard on other recordings. It sounds like a fairly typical preset of the day for that time.
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Re: 1492 flute'ish loop

Postby D-Collector » Tue May 31, 2011 9:18 pm

There was something about this sound that said "Korg!" to me. I knew I have heard similar textures from the 01/W so I googled for 01/w demos. And sure enough it is a 01/W preset! Check out the song "Serengetti" on this site:

http://www.korg01w.com/enmp3.htm

Or listen here, the song is on the demo floppy disk for the 01/W-FD version:



The 01/w is full of nice sounds, Jarre also used it to great effect in Chronologie!
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Re: 1492 flute'ish loop

Postby D-Collector » Tue May 31, 2011 9:36 pm

Also here from around 2:20 onwards.

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Original Korg video promotion, listen around 3:38.

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Re: 1492 flute'ish loop

Postby b3groover » Tue May 31, 2011 9:36 pm

Nice! Good work!

So that sound is probably in the 01/W Legacy plug-in, right? That's probably the best bet to figure out how it was made and take it apart.
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Re: 1492 flute'ish loop

Postby D-Collector » Tue May 31, 2011 9:54 pm

I don't think Korg has released the 01/w as plugin yet, you're thinking of the M1 right? I have the newest M1 legacy with all the cards, including the T1 series. Maybe the sound exists in there. I have a strange feeling I have played with it myself sometime.

By the way, here is the overview of all the patches in the 01/w:
http://indra.com/~cliffcan/progs.htm
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Re: 1492 flute'ish loop

Postby b3groover » Tue May 31, 2011 10:06 pm

Ah yes, I was thinking of the M1. Sorry.

Good thing 01/W's are cheap. :)
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Re: 1492 flute'ish loop

Postby CS_TBL » Wed Jun 01, 2011 1:04 am

Great now that it's been identified! Someone here with an 01 who could sample that specific sound, dry (don't bother about looping) ? :P
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Re: 1492 flute'ish loop

Postby D-Collector » Thu Feb 02, 2012 3:31 am

@CS_TBL:

I don't know if it matters to you any more, but I found an old 01/W sample CD image (not for sale anymore) that contained the sound in question. Although it is layered with another bell sound, just like in the youtube clip with the guy playing.

I suspect the 01/w arcitechture is just like the others of that era, built up with many "elements" and that Vangelis just isolated that flutish part.

Here it is, converted in EXS3 with .akp program and .wav files:

http://www.filefreak.com/files/864650_adc2o/Wonderland.zip

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