TR-909 vs. TB-303

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Re: TR-909 vs. TB-303

Postby ThatFunnyLookinGuy » Tue Sep 23, 2008 6:00 am

wickfut wrote:
ThatFunnyLookinGuy wrote:I can't decide what to buy next, a 909 or 303. On one hand, I want to have the 303 to have that acid sound and have a bass line for when my synth is doing two leads, but I also don't want it because it's so cliche and I fear that I wouldn't be able to make anything cool sounding with it. Yet on the other hand, I want a 909 because I want to have a drum machine that has that dance/house feel and is MIDI/DIN capable. Can anyone provide some good advise on what to do?


I would get the 909 first , you will get more milage from a drum machine in other music than you will with a 303.

If you want to save a few quid get a vermona DRM1 MK3 - it has to be the MK3 version though as they have the new special kick synth part. I did some side by side tests and could make an exact 909 kick sound and also with a bit of work, got quite a few 808 sounds to about 90%.

I'll try and post an mp3 of some loops if you want to hear it do the 909/808 emulations.

That would be great, thanks!
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Re: TR-909 vs. TB-303

Postby Clavier » Tue Sep 23, 2008 8:08 am

kuroichi wrote:Trust me, you need to get a boss dr55 and a yamaha GX1...

Acieeeed! :happy10:


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Re: TR-909 vs. TB-303

Postby kuroichi » Tue Sep 23, 2008 10:47 am

Clavier wrote:
kuroichi wrote:Trust me, you need to get a boss dr55 and a yamaha GX1...

Acieeeed! :happy10:


Anyone using a GX-1 to create acid should be severely maimed.


But why?
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Re: TR-909 vs. TB-303

Postby JSRockit » Tue Sep 23, 2008 1:36 pm

kuroichi wrote:
Clavier wrote:
kuroichi wrote:Trust me, you need to get a boss dr55 and a yamaha GX1...

Acieeeed! :happy10:


Anyone using a GX-1 to create acid should be severely maimed.


But why?


Because only elitist folks who make pretentious music are allowed to use it!! :D
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Re: TR-909 vs. TB-303

Postby wickfut » Tue Sep 23, 2008 9:47 pm

ThatFunnyLookinGuy wrote:
That would be great, thanks!


OK here is a basic demo that I did for a mate, I've also posted this on another forum. It is basically knob twiddling on a 1bar loop showing the extremes of the settings for each part. No compression or effects where used.

http://www9.zippyshare.com/v/31075239/file.html

Here is the new kick module on it's own starting off with a copy of a 909 kick and going through the motions of various types of kick from psytrancey to 808 style.

same again , no effects or compression used.

http://www10.zippyshare.com/v/28954103/file.html

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Re: TR-909 vs. TB-303

Postby tallowwaters » Tue Sep 23, 2008 10:15 pm

Pft. 303 clones.

What you all need is motorcycles.

Motorcycles and a large cliff to ride them off of everytime you want to have a discussion about 303s.
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Re: TR-909 vs. TB-303

Postby Syn303 » Wed Sep 24, 2008 10:22 am

I hate when people talk about 303's and don't even fuckin' own one.
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Re: TR-909 vs. TB-303

Postby TrondC » Wed Sep 24, 2008 11:59 am

to me, I'd NEVER go for the actual 303/909, as they are just too much money. I'm well aware that my Aciadlab Bassline ($600 303 clone) only sounds similar to the Tb-303, but (to me atleast) the difference is not enough to justify getting the 303 instead (although I'd get the Bassline 2 if I was to choose again). I got an Acidlab Bassline + a MonoMachine for the price of a real 303. I am very happy with my desicion. Also, I'd rather get something like the Machinedrum UW over the 909 any day. or, if you want to save money and space is not an issue, I'll second the Vermona DRM mk 3 + a cheap sequencer (Korg ER comes to mind, with very similar programming to the TR's). the sound demos I've heard from the Vermona are 90% like the TR's, but you also get so much more than "just" the 909. Possibly one of the best drum modules I've ever heard. (and at half the price of a 909)

get the MD (UW if you can afford), import some quality 909/808 samples and behold! you'll never need another drum machine.

then again, who am I to give advice: I've never actually tried a 303 or a 909, but I know that unless you are 100% in need of the real thing, the alternatives will do just fine.

oh, and I too would suggest you getting the drum machine first, then the 303/clone/equivalent..

good luck on your desicion
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Re: TR-909 vs. TB-303

Postby Solderman » Wed Sep 24, 2008 6:49 pm

Heh, you should see the 303 bickering on analogue heaven's mailing list archives. Goes back as far as the list itself.

Being the owner of a 303 myself, I'd first point out what often gets neglected: Most 303's don't sound quite like each other. My own 303 sounds more brittle and nasal and actually less squelchy than Audiorealism Bassline. The latter is alot less punchy and its sequencer timing is more rigid though. So in my case, the software wins because it's also exponentially easier to program, and has that neat trick where you can switch patterns in the middle of one.

Could you explain why the VST route wouldn't be sufficient? Why does it have to be hardware? Did you at least try demoing Audiorealsim and maybe use something like E-Phonic Drumatic VE?

Also, some of my favorite acid house consists of a TR707,Juno-106 and a 70's SH monosynth. You just need squelch maeng! The 707 also has integrated Midi clock to Din sync conversion, I think.

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Re: TR-909 vs. TB-303

Postby wickfut » Wed Sep 24, 2008 9:07 pm

TrondC wrote:to me, I'd NEVER go for the actual 303/909, as they are just too much money. I'm well aware that my Aciadlab Bassline ($600 303 clone) only sounds similar to the Tb-303, but (to me atleast) the difference is not enough to justify getting the 303 instead (although I'd get the Bassline 2 if I was to choose again). I got an Acidlab Bassline + a MonoMachine for the price of a real 303. I am very happy with my desicion. Also, I'd rather get something like the Machinedrum UW over the 909 any day. or, if you want to save money and space is not an issue, I'll second the Vermona DRM mk 3 + a cheap sequencer (Korg ER comes to mind, with very similar programming to the TR's). the sound demos I've heard from the Vermona are 90% like the TR's, but you also get so much more than "just" the 909. Possibly one of the best drum modules I've ever heard. (and at half the price of a 909)

get the MD (UW if you can afford), import some quality 909/808 samples and behold! you'll never need another drum machine.

then again, who am I to give advice: I've never actually tried a 303 or a 909, but I know that unless you are 100% in need of the real thing, the alternatives will do just fine.

oh, and I too would suggest you getting the drum machine first, then the 303/clone/equivalent..

good luck on your desicion


I had a real 303 a few years back and now I use an acidlab bassline.

I miss the 303 alot , the acidlab comes quite close but the 303 just reaches parts the acidlab just cannot go.
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Re: TR-909 vs. TB-303

Postby TrondC » Wed Sep 24, 2008 10:03 pm

yeah I definately feel the acidlab isn't as close as I was hoping it would be, but for the money, it's close enough. and most people wouldn't know hear a 303 from a tuba anyway, so I still stick to my choice as the right one. the ultimate would of cource be to have a real 303, but for that kind of money, I'd rather get the MD UW or a FR-777 as 2000$+ is a lot of money for just one (but a famous and much wanted) sound...
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Re: TR-909 vs. TB-303

Postby wickfut » Wed Sep 24, 2008 10:15 pm

If you put some time in you can get 303's for alot less.

I got my one on a straight swap for a tatty Korg M3R module which I paid £75 for.

I'm quite sure there are a few more clueless people with 303s in remaining in this world.
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Re: TR-909 vs. TB-303

Postby tallowwaters » Wed Sep 24, 2008 10:23 pm

wickfut wrote:.

I'm quite sure there are a few more clueless people with 303s in remaining in this world.


Yeah, the people making acid with them.
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Re: TR-909 vs. TB-303

Postby wickfut » Wed Sep 24, 2008 10:27 pm

tallowwaters wrote:
wickfut wrote:.

I'm quite sure there are a few more clueless people with 303s in remaining in this world.


Yeah, the people making acid with them.


Because they should be used as an alternative to a real bass player along with a 606 instead of a drummer ?
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Re: TR-909 vs. TB-303

Postby Syn303 » Wed Sep 24, 2008 10:31 pm

wickfut wrote:I'm quite sure there are a few more clueless people with 303s in remaining in this world.


only clueless when they can't use the sequencer or program it properly, and i'm sure there is still many a clueless guitarist who has one stuffed in the cupboard or attic space unaware of it's potential.

the 303 is a tool for making music, but many want one for status purposes. although i own one myself, i'm more likely to use my x0xb0x more than the 303, but the two are still very different. my 303 has a liquidy sound to it (remember not all 303's sound alike) whereas the x0x has a more harder edge to it.

as for the Acidlab Bassline, it does have a different sound although the cutoff does nothing musically between 0 and 50%, but Klaus builds these machines because he a love for doing it.
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