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Siel DK600 / expander / opera 6 patch load

Postby Cybananna » Tue Dec 30, 2008 5:09 am

Hello, I'm looking for some patch data files and instructions on how to load them. I have a Siel Expander (not the expander 80). It's battery was dead when I got it but hadn't leaked. It powers up and will play the "default" patches (which aren't useful it just makes some random sounds) so I'm pretty sure it works fine. It just needs patches loaded (can't program from the unit).

I tracked down a patch file on the internet, but I can't get it to load. Maybe the file is bad, or maybe i'm loading it wrong. (no manual).

Any help would be greatly appreciated.
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Re: Siel DK600 / expander / opera 6 patch load

Postby Spav » Tue Jan 20, 2009 10:22 pm

When I tried this with my old Poly 800 it took ages to get the levels correct. But it did work in the end, I then returned it to tape. I have the MP3 and the WAV somewhere for the Opera 6. I have an Opera 6 and an expander but I have not yet tried to load the patches, I have just got the synths out of store and need to replace a pot on the Ex and batteries on both. I think the two boxes talk using sysex, so I am hoping I can get a sysex dump once I have them up and running. You should be able to then use Midi Ox to load the patches.
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Re: Siel DK600 / expander / opera 6 patch load

Postby schmidtc » Wed Jan 21, 2009 5:56 pm

to clarify,

when you punch in a patch, you are sure it goes there, but the sounds are whatever the front panel knobs dictate?

Patches can saved and loaded in the tape interface as described here:
http://sounddoctorin.com/synthtec/siel/dk600.htm
I hear the patch dumps available online have dropouts. I read one person eq and level the dump to get it to transmit. If anyone has any patch dumps, factory or their own they would be willing to post this would seriously help many of us trying to restore these synths!
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Re: Siel DK600 / expander / opera 6 patch load

Postby Spav » Fri Jan 23, 2009 8:35 pm

I found an wav of the facory settings, last night I imported it into Sonar, I simply set the output level on my audio interface to 0dB and it loaded first time. If there is a way to upload this file to this site I am happy to do so. I will be trying to repeat that success with the expander tonight.

To load a file:
1. get the file into something to play it back (I may even try with my mp3 player if I get chance), I used Sonar as it has the advantage of being able to measure things (and process if needed), I set the level to 0dB.
2. connect to the tape from on the back of the O6 from your source, I was careful to ensure mono was used.
3. switch to tape on on the rear, the display will go blank
4. press Enter and the machine becomes unresponsive
4. play the audio (it lasted about 20 seconds) there is no indication anything is happening
5. the Enter LED will flash if it has loaded okay, but no indication its has failed.
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Re: Siel DK600 / expander / opera 6 patch load

Postby Spav » Fri Jan 23, 2009 9:47 pm

Owch just found another Opera 6 factories audio, it is in stereo, it has a huge dropout in it at the beginning, it is clipping everywhere and there is a 50Hz modulation to boot. No wonder that won't load!!! The filename is opera6dump.zip and opera opera6dump1.zip or same names .mp3

SielDK600FactoryPatches.wav is as clean as a whistle, don't ask where it came from as it has been sitting on my hard disk for yonks. Just found the Upload atachment tab so here goes......... wav not allowed [-X
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Re: Siel DK600 / expander / opera 6 patch load

Postby Spav » Sun Jan 25, 2009 3:38 pm

Here are a couple of files anyone with an Opera 6 / Expander / DK600 might like to try.

http://www.fromdusktodawn.co.uk/download.php?view.21
http://www.fromdusktodawn.co.uk/download.php?view.22

The first one is straight forward it's a wav of the factory tape. The second is a sys ex file for the factory patches, more over it is a pile of 90 sysex dumps in one file, with a bit of control code magic between each sysex block. You will need MidiOx to send this file (or something else that can dump binary to the midi out). On the synth you intend to send this to you must select Midi Ext and 95[enter] after a power on, or the sysex will fail to load. The display will count up from 00 to 89 as the blocks are loaded.
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Re: Siel DK600 / expander / opera 6 patch load

Postby schmidtc » Sun Jan 25, 2009 6:14 pm

A world of thanks! But I just get a "No downloads in this category yet" on those pages.
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Re: Siel DK600 / expander / opera 6 patch load

Postby Spav » Sun Jan 25, 2009 8:13 pm

Try now, permissions were wrong for that category :oops:
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