Emulator II - Sampling Noisefloor

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Re: Emulator II - Sampling Noisefloor

Postby tekkentool » Tue Mar 26, 2013 3:06 pm

Erotic Cabaret wrote:Well, I listen to those early Depeche Mode records and I hear no hiss in the samples. Just warmth and beautiful aliasing. There IS a difference.


ahahaha wow.

I'm reminded of when I tried recording some vocals with open windows...solo'd you can hear cars, people talking in the background...in the mix none of that appears at all.
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Re: Emulator II - Sampling Noisefloor

Postby Erotic Cabaret » Tue Mar 26, 2013 7:03 pm

Screw this, then. This is way too much work. I think the old bands (80s) used the SCSI port and did all their sampling at 16 bit. They bypassed the analog input. This is the only thing that makes sense at this point...
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Re: Emulator II - Sampling Noisefloor

Postby madtheory » Tue Mar 26, 2013 11:50 pm

No. Mac. Sound Designer.

Don't forget DM also used the NED Synclavier= 16 bit linear.
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Re: Emulator II - Sampling Noisefloor

Postby JMP » Tue Mar 26, 2013 11:51 pm

A bit of hiss? A bit of 8 bit grit? It's what the EII is all about. :)

You can pick up an ESI sampler for buttons these days if you want something at CD quality to complement your EII. Can't remember ever getting bothered with noise/hiss on mine and I've done tons of sampling on it. Hardly ever use the ESI....
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Re: Emulator II - Sampling Noisefloor

Postby Erotic Cabaret » Wed Mar 27, 2013 3:58 pm

madtheory wrote:Don't forget DM also used the NED Synclavier= 16 bit linear.


Good point. Still, I know people were getting this EII to sound pretty clean and smooth somehow...
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Re: Emulator II - Sampling Noisefloor

Postby madtheory » Wed Mar 27, 2013 4:31 pm

I think you're making a mountain out of a molehill... stab and JMP and I have explained why...
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Re: Emulator II - Sampling Noisefloor

Postby Erotic Cabaret » Wed Mar 27, 2013 6:05 pm

Fair enough. Well, this is too much work for me, haha...time to get a V-Synth or something
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Re: Emulator II - Sampling Noisefloor

Postby madtheory » Wed Mar 27, 2013 8:57 pm

Have you checked out the USB thing:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6N3ShVMkbM
Maybe Kontakt with Autosampler would suit you better? The V Synth is not ver hi fi you see.
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Re: Emulator II - Sampling Noisefloor

Postby Erotic Cabaret » Wed Mar 27, 2013 9:17 pm

Yeah, I've seen the USB interface, but I have no idea how to make one. And they don't sell them. Besides, you need Windows, which I don't have and I don't particularly want to partition part of my MacBook Pro for.

Haha the V-Synth is not very hi-fi? This must be a joke at my expense. I think you miss the point. I'm not some crazy hi-fi asswipe, I just don't want a ridiculous noise-floor.

Ok, I am a crazy hi-fi asswipe.
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Re: Emulator II - Sampling Noisefloor

Postby madtheory » Wed Mar 27, 2013 9:23 pm

Well the V-Synth doesn't multisample. It makes pianos sound weird in a great way, but they don't sound like a piano. In fact you can have endless new sounds just trying out different pitches from a piano, to see what the V-Synth's pitch shifting does.
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Re: Emulator II - Sampling Noisefloor

Postby tekkentool » Thu Mar 28, 2013 3:15 am

Erotic Cabaret wrote:beautiful aliasing.


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Re: Emulator II - Sampling Noisefloor

Postby Erotic Cabaret » Thu Mar 28, 2013 4:29 pm

Stephen -

You have an amazing memory, but, in my defense, some aliasing is beautiful (80s digital keyboards with analog filters and a lot of character) and some is not (late 90s/early 2000s keyboards).
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Re: Emulator II - Sampling Noisefloor

Postby madtheory » Thu Mar 28, 2013 5:32 pm

But the Nord wasn't aliasing.
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Re: Emulator II - Sampling Noisefloor

Postby Erotic Cabaret » Thu Mar 28, 2013 11:20 pm

It just has a nasty digital tail on some sounds because of the converters. It's ok...you just have to play around with the filter and the release time. Wish it were that easy on the EII.
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Re: Emulator II - Sampling Noisefloor

Postby Erotic Cabaret » Fri Mar 29, 2013 4:09 am

I just talked to a tech who serviced EIIs back in the day, including Stevie Wonder's, and he said that what they used to do is use a DBX noise reduction unit on the output, which is basically an automated lowpass filter, and that'd take out a lot of the stagnant noisefloor. Then they'd feed that into an Aphex Aural Exciter (type 3/C) and bring the high-end back to the signal. Fascinating.
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