twin AN-200 versus AN-1x

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twin AN-200 versus AN-1x

Postby adekoyote » Thu Nov 14, 2013 11:48 pm

Let it be known that I love the form factor or the AN1x...but I am wondering that aside from the Keyboard, what else does have the AN1x form factor offer.

if they are both based on the same board, then could one make the same patches on the AN-200 that are made on the AN1x?

I am just wondering because I like the synth engine...but there are times when I need pads and other times when I need bass... :geek:

thanks in advance.
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Re: twin AN-200 versus AN-1x

Postby Jabberwalky » Fri Nov 15, 2013 12:02 am

One thing that really bothered me about the An200 is that you cannot edit all the parameters of a patch via the panel. It needs a software editor. The an1x is fully editable.
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Re: twin AN-200 versus AN-1x

Postby adekoyote » Fri Nov 15, 2013 12:18 am

Can you do the edits via an Ipad, or do you have to use the software?
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Re: twin AN-200 versus AN-1x

Postby Jabberwalky » Fri Nov 15, 2013 12:36 am

I think the CC was also limited. Sorry I haven't used one since 06 or so.
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Re: twin AN-200 versus AN-1x

Postby adekoyote » Fri Nov 15, 2013 1:14 am

What about the differences in the sequencer in the an200 versus the arps in the an1x ?
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Re: twin AN-200 versus AN-1x

Postby meatballfulton » Fri Nov 15, 2013 10:25 pm

The AN200 is patch compatible with the AN1x but not vice versa because a few extra features were added to the PLG-150AN board.

You must use a patch editor for full programming access, this is the fatal flaw of the AN200.
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Re: twin AN-200 versus AN-1x

Postby adekoyote » Sat Nov 16, 2013 12:24 am

Same "flaw" as the MC808. you have to "pop the truck" to sculpt the sound...then close it and go for a drive.

What were the extra features?
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Re: twin AN-200 versus AN-1x

Postby Zamise » Tue Dec 10, 2013 5:05 pm

I've both, if I had to choose it'd be the AN1X over an AN200 or even two AN200s. I see little purpose in having two AN200s, maybe a pair of AN plg cards in an EX5, Motif, CS6x or whatever else would fit two boards, but not two AN200s. If you made one of them a DX200 then perhaps that would be something to think about, anyhow I'm not sure it is strictly the sound editing capabilities from the front panel, but yeah well ok that would be a big part of it. The AN200's small footprint as a desktop module is really nice, but it does come at a loss of being able to easily access all the AN engine's parms and capabilities that you can more quickly get to on the AN1X. You wouldn't think so because it has more knobs, but the way it is done certain things are more imediate and other things arn't, they feel like editing two completely different synths, yet they have the same crisp AN sound. A lot of the important features and parms are still up front, perhaps even more immediate for some more favorable things, and you can still dig in quite a bit on the AN200, but its sequencer isn't really all that different from the AN1X's programmable arp/sequencer. However, you can have a few extra drum parts/tracks and mutings etc., on the sequencer side so it is defiantly more valuable as a sequencer than the AN1X. The AN200 is simply a nice sounding little piece of groove kit. The expressiveness and nuance of the AN1X as a performance synth is something you won't let go of a second time after you realize it.
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Re: twin AN-200 versus AN-1x

Postby adekoyote » Tue Dec 10, 2013 9:06 pm

Could you use an Ipad to make the deeper edits using the AN200? Ipad sysex intergration would make me swoon for the AN-200(or even two)
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Re: twin AN-200 versus AN-1x

Postby Pro5 » Fri Dec 13, 2013 3:31 pm

The AN1x all the way - why go the convoluted fugly route when you can just buy an An1x? :)

Also, think there are some sonic differences between all the AN solutions (Don't quote me as it may only be the AN card vs the AN1x but do remember some changes on later revisions that affected the sound - for better or worse is down to the end user)
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Re: twin AN-200 versus AN-1x

Postby meatballfulton » Fri Dec 13, 2013 5:45 pm

The PLG card has osc crossmod as well as FM, there's a supersaw waveform, morphing works differently...there is no second scene to each patch as in AN1x (although AN200 has a sneaky workaround that involves the edit buffer), forget the other diffs.

Anyway, PLG150_AN/AN200 can load AN1x patches via software editors but lose the second scene. AN1x cannot load PLG patches at all.
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Re: twin AN-200 versus AN-1x

Postby meatballfulton » Fri Dec 13, 2013 5:48 pm

adekoyote wrote:Could you use an Ipad to make the deeper edits using the AN200? Ipad sysex intergration would make me swoon for the AN-200(or even two)


Sure, if you download all the Yamaha MIDI documentation and code your own editor/controller app. Nothing off the shelf since Yamaha stopped support of the PLG boards a decade ago (Mac OS 9, Win XP).
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Re: twin AN-200 versus AN-1x

Postby Pro5 » Sat Dec 14, 2013 6:44 pm

meatballfulton wrote:The PLG card has osc crossmod as well as FM, there's a supersaw waveform, morphing works differently...there is no second scene to each patch as in AN1x (although AN200 has a sneaky workaround that involves the edit buffer), forget the other diffs.

Anyway, PLG150_AN/AN200 can load AN1x patches via software editors but lose the second scene. AN1x cannot load PLG patches at all.


the second scene, often used to create a two layer 4 OSC 5 note poly patch (or massive unison dual layer patch) - rather than just for the 'morphing' thing between two 2 osc sounds, is quite a feature to have to hand on the AN1x!
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Re: twin AN-200 versus AN-1x

Postby robotunes » Mon Feb 03, 2014 4:43 pm

either way you can't go wrong. i settled on 2 an200s plus a novation sl49 mk2 that i programmed to sculpt the an200s.

not as elegant as 1 an1x (which i loved), but definitely beefier because of the an200's extra osc options.

the an200's sequencer is more fun to play, but you get far more CC modulation routings with the an1x. like i said, you can't go wrong with either one.

and yes, you could easily program an iOS midi app to controll the an200 from an ipad.
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Re: twin AN-200 versus AN-1x

Postby ellaguru » Sat Mar 22, 2014 12:19 pm

i love an200, sometimes i also use it to control samplers because i like also its controlling capabilities (the midi reverse/forward is a super cool!! the pitch trick too), BUT the great weak point of this machine -apart from the must have pc editor for the synth- is that the sequencer has just 1 bar ( :roll: !!), don't know if the an1x one is built like that, but the an200 (and the dx200) as a groovebox alone doesn't work best...a workaround for this i made, is to decrease bpm (for example isntead of 90bpm i put 45bpm and so on) so nothing very scaring, but...
astonishing sounds from this machine anyway, for the price of a cheap groovebox camoufled desktop synth...
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