Yamaha SU200 - good for anything?

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Yamaha SU200 - good for anything?

Postby Hugo76 » Wed Jul 24, 2013 1:38 am

I might get hold of a su200 for really cheap. Is it worth getting? I read there are a lot of annoying short comings, and it is useless when using samples at 44.1 khz - in order to use the effects, the samples have to be 22 khz or lower.
I can however see some usefulness in the loop remix function. Does anyone have any experience with his sampler?
Is it worth $50?
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Re: Yamaha SU200 - good for anything?

Postby optimus prime » Wed Jul 24, 2013 7:52 pm

Definitely worth that much. I paid $100 for a SU10 back in 2006, and it's far more limited.

The limitations might end up being an advantage. Being restricted to 22kHz could give an edge to your sound, but it should definitely be paired with a more advanced machine. Plus, I don't think that many people use it, it's somewhat of a dinosaur, so there's the exclusiveness factor. If you're in the mood for some creative screwing around - go for it! :)
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Re: Yamaha SU200 - good for anything?

Postby Hugo76 » Thu Jul 25, 2013 2:51 am

Good points there, Optimus. I lost it, however
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Re: Yamaha SU200 - good for anything?

Postby Headphones.40 » Thu Sep 26, 2013 12:32 pm

That was the worst sampler I've ever used. Sooooo damn difficult to use, I returned it 45 minutes after buying it. I was that mad. :twisted: . If you just need a phrase sampler, play with some 202/303/404/505/555/606/808's before you go with this pos.
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Re: Yamaha SU200 - good for anything?

Postby ellaguru » Wed Mar 19, 2014 7:22 pm

quick review
pro
-loop track play: this let you play the su200 as a sort of sequencer (this function also could be synced with external machines by midi), you can use the 3 banks as 3 different patterns, with 8 tracks (samples/pads) each other, and do the mute/unmute thing of those "tracks", wich is cool. you can pass bank by bank like sequencing on the roland sp404, it's quite the same. however, here you have not a real sequencer, you have 8 loops that play per bank (pattern) at the same time just as tracks. every loop/sample is synced at the same looptrack tempo, like on boss sp505/roland sp 606 bpm sync function
-"loop remix" and "slice" are very cool, they let you totally remix/stutter samples; "filter" is ok, "tech mod" a sort of lfo/tremolo thing plus ring modulator effect.
-ribbon is cool for control fx (you also have 2 knobs to do that) like on the su10; you can use ribbon controller also for scratch, and you can combine the fx+scratch (well, scratch is not that great, but for LoFing/Glitching is maybe ok...)
-you can resample while Loop Track play is active.
-the su200 works also with batteries, that's explains (in part) the low volume (but boss sp202/roland sp404 and yamaha su10 got batteries too, and their volume is OK!!wtf...)


cons
-you can sample at different grades, but you can resample at 1 grade only (!!)in mono (!!)
-pitch scale is ok , but you cannot reample it(!!), you can only play with it alone, you cannot play it by external midi sequencer. (on the su10 it is possible)
-timestretch (job mode) is quite ok (...i have to retry it better...)
-you cannot use any fx with hi recorded samples (!!)
-one effect per one pad (!! you have an "hold" button to walk trough pads to apply fx or select/unselect)
-Time is a sort of timestretchin live, but very noisy, you cannot resample it, is not effective while Loop Track play is active...
-you have limited time for sampling (20sec in HI grade mono,1minute circa in EXTRALARGE grade mono , the smartmedia card is here only for storage (wav import/export or data import/export)

other
-editing is ok (start/end point, delete,truncate, reverse etc)
-scratch is the same as on su10, not that good
-you can copy samples between pads
-you can import/export wav (cool!)

weird
-while resampling a stereo (mono?) HI grade sample, causes the pitch and bpm 1/2 of it, wich could be at time cool at time not good at all...
-sometimes (when samples are at maximum volume or at different grades, depending on the type of samples) samples played simultaneously can causes weird noise

This machine was originally conceived to work with yamaha AN200 or DX200, like for Boss dr202 and Boss sp202 at the time...
Alone, this is a machine for entry beginners level, but WITH A COOL COMPRESSOR OR PREAMP IT COULD BE COOLER. (volume not that high in my opinion)
i paied mine -used in good condition- just 40€ (45/50 usd more or less), so very very cheap, my advice is: don't buy it if you have many other samplers (like in my case) and for more than 60€
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Re: Yamaha SU200 - good for anything?

Postby Hugo76 » Thu Mar 20, 2014 1:54 am

Great summary of its features, ellaguru, thanks :-)
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Re: Yamaha SU200 - good for anything?

Postby ellaguru » Fri Mar 21, 2014 2:54 pm

oh, you're wellcome
i'm just messin with this little beast, i bought it last week, it's ok to get ideas or to use it as a strange weird recorder muting/unmuting pads(tracks), syncing the looptrack play mode to hardwares or softwares...the sound is low, you have to sample with the font at very high volume or import samples recorded at high volume level...it's a limited but funny machine...
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Re: Yamaha SU200 - good for anything?

Postby Hugo76 » Fri Mar 21, 2014 3:46 pm

ellaguru wrote:oh, you're wellcome
i'm just messin with this little beast, i bought it last week, it's ok to get ideas or to use it as a strange weird recorder muting/unmuting pads(tracks), syncing the looptrack play mode to hardwares or softwares...the sound is low, you have to sample with the font at very high volume or import samples recorded at high volume level...it's a limited but funny machine...


Interesting... what do you feel about the sound quality?
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Re: Yamaha SU200 - good for anything?

Postby ellaguru » Fri Mar 21, 2014 5:00 pm

Hugo76 wrote:
ellaguru wrote:oh, you're wellcome
i'm just messin with this little beast, i bought it last week, it's ok to get ideas or to use it as a strange weird recorder muting/unmuting pads(tracks), syncing the looptrack play mode to hardwares or softwares...the sound is low, you have to sample with the font at very high volume or import samples recorded at high volume level...it's a limited but funny machine...


Interesting... what do you feel about the sound quality?

well, when recording at HI grade the quality is cool, but as i said before, you have to record/import at very loud volume: even with its own pads at maximum volume, i felt the su200 got a lower volume than other samplers using batteries (sp202,sp404 or su10).
on STANDARD grade, is quite passable, on LONG is lofi, EXTRALONG is very lofi...this lofi is weird...even if they wrote on the manual the frequencies 11khz or 5khz, i felt them as sort of "filtered" not "degraded" samples...(??)...
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Re: Yamaha SU200 - good for anything?

Postby Hugo76 » Sat Mar 22, 2014 3:04 am

Interesting. I was about to buy one, but missed it. Considering the limitations and the steady increase in synthts here, I'm kinda glad I let it go. I have the su700, rs7000, sp-606 and an ESX, so I think my sampling needs are covered for until I can pick up the Octatrack :-)
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Re: Yamaha SU200 - good for anything?

Postby ellaguru » Sat Mar 22, 2014 11:29 am

cool, me too i got many sampler(remix16,su10,sp303,sp505,sp606,asrx,esx,es1,su200,mc909,st224,rs7000), and ive tried the sp404 and mpc500 and 1000 too...the only one i never tried is the su700, it Always tempted me...
ot
what do you think of (about the su700 i mean)?
ot2
the rs7000 is a great controller/sequencer but i don't like very much the sampler part...
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Re: Yamaha SU200 - good for anything?

Postby Hugo76 » Sat Mar 22, 2014 1:57 pm

Wow, that's an impressive collection, ellaguru! :-D
Regarding the su700 - I've only recently got it, so my experience with it is very limited. It does have a really great sample editing feature, where the start and end points always snap to the nearest zero crossing point, ensuring you avoid clicks in the loop point. If you want to buy one, it is best to make sure it has the SCSI card installed, and that the RAM is maxed out. Also, they were plagued with faulty encoders, so unless you want the hassle of fixing them, make sure they're working. Plus you want the lates OS installed (I think it was 1.1.3). I do think it sounds very good, and it does have a great number of features that will come to good use once I have the time to sit down with it. Got mine for a hundred bucks (!).

RS7000 - I agree the sampling part isn't the greatest. And a real bummer they didn't include the "snap to nearest zero crossing point" feature from the su700. I have, however, made good use of it lately. Before I used it primarily to resample internal sequences, but lately I've used it to sample stuff from my iPad. Insted of using "Kit + note", I've used the "Pitch" feature. This enables me to mangle the samples further using the play effects and the LFO - this can give some great results when set to Sample + Hold, or better yet, by programming the LFO.
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Re: Yamaha SU200 - good for anything?

Postby ellaguru » Sat Mar 22, 2014 2:09 pm

ok thanks Hugo76
continuing the OT
yes this collection is huge, but someway i have to sell something, and the su700 could easly substitute some of the samplers i have, i think.
thanks also for the RS advices. i have to say that on the sampler side the mc909 is way better.
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Re: Yamaha SU200 - good for anything?

Postby Hugo76 » Sat Mar 22, 2014 7:23 pm

Yes, I've been meaning to buy the mc-909 myself for quite some time now. With your collection, from my perspective, I'd definately hold on to the sp-606, mc-909, esx, and rs7000, and maybe let some of the others go
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Re: Yamaha SU200 - good for anything?

Postby ellaguru » Sat Mar 22, 2014 11:32 pm

Hugo76 wrote:Yes, I've been meaning to buy the mc-909 myself for quite some time now. With your collection, from my perspective, I'd definately hold on to the sp-606, mc-909, esx, and rs7000, and maybe let some of the others go

i like the sp505 but , having then bought the mc909 and the sp606, it's a double; same thing with the es1 vs esx; i will surely keep the sp303 and the st224 because they're beasts in their own little domain, and they sound raw and direct. i'll keep the remix16 and the su10 for a question of feeling (they're the first 2 samplers i vere bought back in 1996) and also because they got some parts a bit ruined. if i don't go deeper on the rs7000 and the asrx, i will sell them too...
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